From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: dave@horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 09:59:27 +1100 (EST) Subject: [TUHS] Happy birthday, Ken Thompson! In-Reply-To: References: <916A0819-D582-4ABE-B975-0D6EFFEE28B1@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Feb 2018, Arthur Krewat wrote: > I would imagine that Windows wouldn't be what it is today without UNIX. > Matter of fact, Windows NT (which is what Windows has been based on > since Windows ME went away) is really DEC's VMS underneath the covers at > least to a small extent. I thought that NT has a POSIX-y kernel, which is why it was so reliable? Or was VMS a POSIX-like system? I only used it for a couple of years in the early 80s (up to 4.0, I think), and never dug inside it; to me, it was just RSX-11/RSTS-11 on steroids. > Would VMS become what it was without UNIX's influence? Would UNIX become > what it later was without VMS? > > Would UNIX exist, or even be close to what it became without DEC? I've oft wondered that, but we have to use a new thread to avoid embarrassing Ken :-) -- Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."