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[TUHS] [GROFF] groff as a asis for comprehensive documentation

[Doug McIlroy]

Ingo wrote:

> i have been working hard to reduce the number of options of low usefulness

Ah, soothing classical Unix Musik, so rare in the cacophonous Linux era.

Doug

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[ches@Cheswick.com]

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> Ah, soothing classical Unix Musik, so rare in the cacophonous Linux era.

I understand Linus is actually removing code from his kernel in the next release. It’s a little of what it needs a lot of.

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[Dave Horsfall]

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On Fri, 20 Apr 2018, ches at Cheswick.com wrote:

>> Ah, soothing classical Unix Musik, so rare in the cacophonous Linux 
>> era.
>
> I understand Linus is actually removing code from his kernel in the next 
> release. It’s a little of what it needs a lot of.

I've often referred to Linux as "The Windows of the Unix world".

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Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will suffer."

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[Cág]

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Dave Horsfall wrote:

> I've often referred to Linux as "The Windows of the Unix world".

I wonder what operating systems people on this list use. AIX? BSD
variants? Or maybe even IRIX?

Also, OSX is "the Windows of the Unix world".

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caóc

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[David Collantes]

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On 20 April 2018 at 06:44, Cág <ca6c at bitmessage.ch> wrote:
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> Also, OSX is "the Windows of the Unix world".

Hey, I take this as an offense! ^_^

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[Chet Ramey]

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On 4/20/18 6:44 AM, Cág wrote:
> Dave Horsfall wrote:
> 
>> I've often referred to Linux as "The Windows of the Unix world".
> 
> I wonder what operating systems people on this list use. AIX? BSD
> variants? Or maybe even IRIX?

I bet you'll find that many of us use Mac OS X on Apple hardware.


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[Arthur Krewat]

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As a workstation, Windows.

As a server, Solaris 11.x (for the time being).



On 4/20/2018 6:44 AM, Cág wrote:
> Dave Horsfall wrote:
>
>> I've often referred to Linux as "The Windows of the Unix world".
> I wonder what operating systems people on this list use. AIX? BSD
> variants? Or maybe even IRIX?
>
> Also, OSX is "the Windows of the Unix world".
>
> --
> caóc
>
>

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[Dave Horsfall]

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On Fri, 20 Apr 2018, Cág wrote:

>> I've often referred to Linux as "The Windows of the Unix world".
>
> I wonder what operating systems people on this list use. AIX? BSD 
> variants? Or maybe even IRIX?

My mail/web server is FreeBSD (of course), which is self-firewalled; that 
latter task will soon be taken over by OpenBSD (of course).

The main client is a MacBook running Sierra (the poxy thing doesn't seem 
to like High Sierra), as FreeBSD for all its advantages is a piss-poor 
client.

I have images of NetBSD etc lying around somewhere, to try on new boxen.

And I keep a tame Debian laptop to see what the penguins have broken on my 
projects[*]...

> Also, OSX is "the Windows of the Unix world".

I was calling Linux that a fair while before OSX came along.

[*]
Just one example: it's 'stty -f ..." on most systems, but "stty -F" on 
Penguin/OS.  Why?

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[Cág]

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Dave Horsfall wrote:
 
> I have images of NetBSD etc lying around somewhere, to try on new
> boxen.

You might want to wait for 8.0, it's supposed it'll be a big release.

> Just one example: it's 'stty -f ..." on most systems, but "stty -F" on 
> Penguin/OS.  Why?

-f/-F is a nonstandard (i.e. non-POSIX) option. BSDs have -f, GNU
Coreutils (and BusyBox, which most of the time copies GNU behaviour)
do have -F. Other Unix userlands (IRIX, HP-UX, Heirloom, Solaris(?))
don't have it at all. So, it's not a Penguin OS thing.


Cheers!

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[Blake McBride]

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I use Linux on the desktop and Linux for my servers.  Everything works
perfectly.

I used Mac for several years but drifted away for the following reasons:

1.  Their hardware is the best in the business - but not at 3 times the
price!

2.  The don't make 17" laptops anymore.

3.  OSX is great except for each place they drifted from Unix!

4.  I don't like them, essentially, being in cohorts with MS against
Linux.  (They can compete with Windows in terms of quality, but they can't
compete against the Linux price.)

5.  I don't like the proprietary nature of their ecosystem.

Blake McBride



On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 5:44 AM, Cág <ca6c at bitmessage.ch> wrote:

> Dave Horsfall wrote:
>
> > I've often referred to Linux as "The Windows of the Unix world".
>
> I wonder what operating systems people on this list use. AIX? BSD
> variants? Or maybe even IRIX?
>
> Also, OSX is "the Windows of the Unix world".
>
> --
> caóc
>
>
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[Tim Bradshaw]

On 20 Apr 2018, at 01:56, Doug McIlroy <doug at cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
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> Ah, soothing classical Unix Musik, so rare in the cacophonous Linux era.

The problem is that 'rarely used options of limited usefulness' can mean two things: options which no-one finds useful and options which only a small number of people find very useful.  It is Not Funny when people decide to remove some option which not many people used but on which some critical bit of software you rely on turns out to depend.

I think the canonical example of that in my experience was echo -n and certain shell scripts which may or may not have edited passwd files, in the transition from BSDoid SunOS to SYSVoid SunOS.  I remember that being very much not funny.

(Note I don't want to start a big argument about this, I just think it's a bit more nuanced than the minimalists sometimes think.)
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