From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id d6322969 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 06:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8BE1EA182D; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 16:37:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0A29EDEE; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 16:36:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 542959EDE4; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 16:36:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from viclamta17p.bpe.bigpond.com (viclamta17p.bpe.bigpond.com [203.38.21.81]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D54399B5D7 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 16:36:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp.telstra.com ([10.10.26.4]) by viclafep17p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au with ESMTP id <20180616063649.SGQX17534.viclafep17p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au@smtp.telstra.com> for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 16:36:49 +1000 X-RG-Spam: Unknown X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedthedrleejgdduudduucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuuffpveftpgfvgffnuffvtfetnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepfffhvffujgfkfhgfgggtsehttddttddtredvnecuhfhrohhmpeffrghvvgcujfhorhhsfhgrlhhluceouggrvhgvsehhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduuddtrddugedurdduleefrddvfeefnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopegrnhgvuhhrihhnrdhhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeduuddtrddugedurdduleefrddvfeefpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepoegurghvvgeshhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgqedprhgtphhtthhopeeothhuhhhssehtuhhhshdrohhrgheqnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-RG-VS-CLASS: clean Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (110.141.193.233) by smtp.telstra.com (9.0.019.26-1) id 5B0418AC03230729 for tuhs@tuhs.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 16:36:49 +1000 Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w5G6am1e096526 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 16:36:48 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id w5G6ame7096523 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 16:36:48 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) X-Authentication-Warning: aneurin.horsfall.org: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 16:36:48 +1000 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20180615152542.E1EC918C08C@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.999 (BSF 260 2018-02-26) X-GPG-Public-Key: http://www.horsfall.org/gpgkey.pub X-GPG-Fingerprint: 05B4 FFBC 0218 B438 66E0 587B EF46 7357 EF5E F58B X-Home-Page: http://www.horsfall.org/ X-Witty-Saying: "chmod 666 the_mode_of_the_beast" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [TUHS] core X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Fri, 15 Jun 2018, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: >> E.g. Watson was talking about the multi-megabuck 704/709/7094 etc, and >> I think that Olsen's quote was about the DEC-System 10... > > At the time, those were the only computers out there. The "personal > computer" was the myth of the day. Go back and look at the prices IBM > and DEC were charging for their gear. Even in the modern context, that > hardware was more expensive than the rediculously inflated prices of > housing in Vancouver. Precisely, but idiots keep repeating those "quotes" (if they were repeated accurately at all) in some sort of an effort to make the so-called "experts" look silly; a form of reverse jealousy/snobbery or something? It really pisses me off, and I'm sure that there's a medical term for it... I came across a web site that had these populist quotes, alongside the original *taken in context*, but I'm damned if I can find it now. I mean, how many people could afford a 7094, FFS? The power bill, the air conditioning, the team of technicians, the warehouse of spare parts... Hell, I'll bet that my iPhone has more power than our System-360/50, but it has nowhere near the sheer I/O throughput of a mainframe :-) -- Dave