From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 59c5e404 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 01:06:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6616FA1A91; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 11:06:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95751A1A20; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 11:06:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 51167A1A20; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 11:06:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: from viclamta16p.bpe.bigpond.com (viclamta16p.bpe.bigpond.com [203.38.21.80]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F6E7A1A1F for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 11:06:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp.telstra.com ([10.10.26.4]) by viclafep16p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au with ESMTP id <20180829010607.IEVQ31660.viclafep16p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au@smtp.telstra.com> for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 11:06:07 +1000 X-RG-Spam: Unknown X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtjedrgeehgdegtdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfupfevtfgpvffgnffuvfftteenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffvufgjkfhffgggtgesthdttddttdervdenucfhrhhomhepffgrvhgvucfjohhrshhfrghllhcuoegurghvvgeshhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgqeenucfkphepuddutddrudeguddrudelfedrvdeffeenucfrrghrrghmpehhvghloheprghnvghurhhinhdrhhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddutddrudeguddrudelfedrvdeffedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeeouggrvhgvsehhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrgheqpdhrtghpthhtohepoehtuhhhshesthhuhhhsrdhorhhgqeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-RG-VS-CLASS: clean Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (110.141.193.233) by smtp.telstra.com (9.0.019.26-1) id 5B0418AC0E25AAA4 for tuhs@tuhs.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 11:06:06 +1000 Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w7T1651p002703 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 11:06:05 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id w7T165Ap002700 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 11:06:05 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) X-Authentication-Warning: aneurin.horsfall.org: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 11:06:05 +1000 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1535123616.1824656.1485063544.08BED1A8@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180828003057.GA317@mcvoy.com> <201808280601.w7S61oLM030628@freefriends.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) X-GPG-Public-Key: http://www.horsfall.org/gpgkey.pub X-GPG-Fingerprint: 05B4 FFBC 0218 B438 66E0 587B EF46 7357 EF5E F58B X-Home-Page: http://www.horsfall.org/ X-Witty-Saying: "chmod 666 the_mode_of_the_beast" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [TUHS] Research UNIX on the AT&T 3B2? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Wed, 29 Aug 2018, Harald Arnesen wrote: >> Signature material, in fact! I loved SunOS 4.1.4, and had to eat a >> shit sandwich when they went to Solaris (but continue to run BSD-like >> systems at home; first BSDi, then FreeBSD; the MacBook is at least >> vaguely BSD-ish, and the only reason that I also have Debian is to see >> what the penguins have broken this time). > > So you don't think MacOS has broken more than the penguins have? Stuff I write on FreeBSD pretty much works on my Mac (the latter has mo serial ports, and thus uses a dodgy USB/serial cable with an equally-dodgy driver that hangs the system to the point of requiring a *power cycle*). And vice-versa; I had to learn how to control DTR etc on a genuine serial port on the FreeBSD box (I am writing a user-level driver for a serial device). As for Penguin/OS (and trying to figure out just which header file uses which flags, when I'm using low-level Perl I/O), then forget it. What really blew my gasket is that "stty -f" on *BSD is "stty -F" on Penguin/OS, despite them copying every other flag. I had a look at how they (Linux) wrote stty.c, and nearly threw up. So, yes, that's pretty much my answer... -- Dave