From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 3c905ea7 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2019 22:08:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CFF279B8A4; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 08:08:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564989B895; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 08:08:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 19C479B894; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 08:07:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from viclamta30p.bpe.bigpond.com (viclamta30p.bpe.bigpond.com [203.38.21.94]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C15499B892 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 08:07:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp.telstra.com ([10.10.26.4]) by viclafep30p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au with ESMTP id <20190203220754.DLWA26114.viclafep30p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au@smtp.telstra.com> for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 09:07:54 +1100 X-RG-Spam: Unknown X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtledrkedvgdduiedtucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuuffpveftpgfvgffnuffvtfetnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepfffhvffujgfkfhgfgggtsehttddttddtredvnecuhfhrohhmpeffrghvvgcujfhorhhsfhgrlhhluceouggrvhgvsehhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduuddtrddugedurdduleefrddvfeefnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopegrnhgvuhhrihhnrdhhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeduuddtrddugedurdduleefrddvfeefpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepoegurghvvgeshhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgqedprhgtphhtthhopeeothhuhhhssehtuhhhshdrohhrgheqnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-RG-VS-CLASS: clean Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (110.141.193.233) by smtp.telstra.com (9.0.019.26-1) id 5BB3FAC3160223E5 for tuhs@tuhs.org; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 09:07:53 +1100 Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x13M7rTP003299 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 09:07:53 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x13M7qX7003296 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 09:07:53 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) X-Authentication-Warning: aneurin.horsfall.org: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 09:07:52 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-Reply-To: <20190203213907.GA6142@eureka.lemis.com> Message-ID: References: <20190203213907.GA6142@eureka.lemis.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) X-GPG-Public-Key: http://www.horsfall.org/gpgkey.pub X-GPG-Fingerprint: 05B4 FFBC 0218 B438 66E0 587B EF46 7357 EF5E F58B X-Home-Page: http://www.horsfall.org/ X-Witty-Saying: "chmod 666 the_mode_of_the_beast" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [TUHS] Happy birthday, Ken Thompson! X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Mon, 4 Feb 2019, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > Without Unix, Microsoft would not have created Microsoft "Windows". I'd like to see some evidence for that; without Unix, what would we be running now? I doubt whether it would've been Linux, there being no inspiration for it... My vague (and rough) recollection is CP/M -> DOS -> Windows. > Even it has roots in Unix. Only inasmuch as it has directories, users, and permissions (which any semi-decent OS would have anyway)... Admittedly I have never compromised my integrity by using/programming it, so I am willing to be corrected. And yes, I know about POSIX compatibility, but so is Linux, and it's different enough from Unix to be damned annoying. -- Dave