From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id a5c5bb95 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 15:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 809C19B897; Tue, 5 Feb 2019 01:04:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B5D9B898; Tue, 5 Feb 2019 01:04:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1B5EB9B892; Tue, 5 Feb 2019 01:04:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from viclamta26p.bpe.bigpond.com (viclamta26p.bpe.bigpond.com [203.38.21.90]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C25E89B891 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2019 01:04:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp.telstra.com ([10.10.26.4]) by viclafep26p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au with ESMTP id <20190204150429.ZZKA5117.viclafep26p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au@smtp.telstra.com> for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2019 02:04:29 +1100 X-RG-Spam: Unknown X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtledrkeeggdejvdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfupfevtfgpvffgnffuvfftteenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffvufgjkfhffgggtgesmhdttdertderjeenucfhrhhomhepffgrvhgvucfjohhrshhfrghllhcuoegurghvvgeshhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgqeenucfkphepuddutddrudeguddrudelfedrvdeffeenucfrrghrrghmpehhvghloheprghnvghurhhinhdrhhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddutddrudeguddrudelfedrvdeffedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeeouggrvhgvsehhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrghequceuqfffjgepkeeukffvoffkoffgpdhrtghpthhtohepoehtuhhhshesthhuhhhsrdhorhhgqeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-RG-VS-CLASS: clean Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (110.141.193.233) by smtp.telstra.com (9.0.019.26-1) id 5C53EF9000833BC3 for tuhs@tuhs.org; Tue, 5 Feb 2019 02:04:29 +1100 Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x14F4SQa010330 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2019 02:04:28 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x14F4Pm7010327 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2019 02:04:28 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) X-Authentication-Warning: aneurin.horsfall.org: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 02:04:25 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20190203213907.GA6142@eureka.lemis.com> <20190204062522.GA78675@server.rulingia.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) X-GPG-Public-Key: http://www.horsfall.org/gpgkey.pub X-GPG-Fingerprint: 05B4 FFBC 0218 B438 66E0 587B EF46 7357 EF5E F58B X-Home-Page: http://www.horsfall.org/ X-Witty-Saying: "chmod 666 the_mode_of_the_beast" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1483753691-1856546344-1549292668=:64931" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Happy birthday, Ken Thompson! X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1483753691-1856546344-1549292668=:64931 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 4 Feb 2019, Steve Nickolas wrote: > I think the term is "Embrace, Extend, Exterminate" I heard it as "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish"; witness their attempt to take over PPP (which eventually had to accommodate their "extensions"), and Usenet before that, which thankfully failed, because they wanted a central authority. How the hell do you think that Usenet flourished? It was an utter anarchy, that's why! And the marketoid control-freaks hated it... If you look carefully at PPP, you will see certain negotiations which ∆ simply don't belong at that level (DNS etc). Cough MS/CHAP cough... If you want to talk PPP to an NT server, well, you'd better be prepared to accommodate their "extensions". And to those bods who think we're bashing M$, well, there might be a damned good reason for it (some of us here go back a *long* time, so you might have to brush up on your history, and grow out of your short pants). -- Dave, who used to be known as "Fowler Ware" on aus.flame --1483753691-1856546344-1549292668=:64931--