From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 525fd9d1 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 03:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 184C59D791; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:07:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD309D778; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:06:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6D5509D698; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:06:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from viclamta28p.bpe.bigpond.com (viclamta28p.bpe.bigpond.com [203.38.21.92]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 716FD9D649 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:06:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp.telstra.com ([10.10.26.4]) by viclafep28p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au with ESMTP id <20200308030654.BRXG6606.viclafep28p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au@smtp.telstra.com> for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 14:06:54 +1100 X-RG-Spam: Unknown X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrudduhedgheehucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuuffpveftpgfvgffnuffvtfetpdfqfgfvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemucegtddtnecunecujfgurhepfffhvffujgfkfhgfgggtsehttddttddtredvnecuhfhrohhmpeffrghvvgcujfhorhhsfhgrlhhluceouggrvhgvsehhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduuddtrddugedurdduleefrddvfeefnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehhvghloheprghnvghurhhinhdrhhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddutddrudeguddrudelfedrvdeffedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeeouggrvhgvsehhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrgheqpdhrtghpthhtohepoehtuhhhshesthhuhhhsrdhorhhgqe X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RG-VS-CLASS: clean Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (110.141.193.233) by smtp.telstra.com (5.8.418) id 5DF700CC0E8061E5 for tuhs@tuhs.org; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 14:06:54 +1100 Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 02836rIe004190 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 14:06:53 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 02836oHd004187 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 14:06:53 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) X-Authentication-Warning: aneurin.horsfall.org: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 14:06:50 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20200306224431.D226C18C080@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> <3D1DBF45-AE50-4027-8AAA-6C1D97D28D4D@planet.nl> <20200307163935.GA57521@clarinet.employees.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) X-GPG-Public-Key: http://www.horsfall.org/gpgkey.pub X-GPG-Fingerprint: 05B4 FFBC 0218 B438 66E0 587B EF46 7357 EF5E F58B X-Home-Page: http://www.horsfall.org/ X-Witty-Saying: "chmod 666 the_mode_of_the_beast" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [TUHS] First appearance of named pipes X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Sun, 8 Mar 2020, Rob Pike wrote: > Always bemused me that to get a named local I/O connection one ended up > with "Unix domain (what does that even mean?) sockets" rather than named > pipes, especially since sockets are about as natural a Unix concept as > lawn mowers. Indeed... > I've been told, but haven't confirmed, that early sockets didn't even > support read and write. They had their own I/O calls such as send()/recv() (and still do). > They still don't support open and close, and never will. Huh; imagine my surprise when I named a function "shutdown()" because it was called at SIGTERM to clean up... > Networks are not intrinsically more special than any other I/O > peripheral, but they have become gilded unicorns mounted on rotating > hovercrafts compared to the I/O devices Unix supported before them. And that's being polite... They are the worst interface that I have ever seen (including OS/360). At a previous $ORKPLACE there was a library that said simply "I am server on port N" and "I want to contact a service on a.b.c.d on port N"; I wish I'd stole^Wborrowed it when we eventually parted company. -- Dave