From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RDNS_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 15107 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2020 05:39:00 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (minnie.tuhs.org: domain of minnie.tuhs.org designates 45.79.103.53 as permitted sender) receiver=inbox.vuxu.org; client-ip=45.79.103.53 envelope-from= Received: from unknown (HELO minnie.tuhs.org) (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2020 05:39:00 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id EA61C9BD96; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 15:38:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96999BB47; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 15:38:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A61349BB47; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 15:38:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from viclamta26p.bpe.bigpond.com (viclamta26p.bpe.bigpond.com [203.38.21.90]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7FBE9BB46 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 15:38:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp.telstra.com ([10.10.26.4]) by viclafep26p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au with ESMTP id <20200312053845.EEYV6429.viclafep26p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au@smtp.telstra.com> for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:38:45 +1100 X-RG-Spam: Unknown X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedruddvgedgleejucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuuffpveftpgfvgffnuffvtfetpdfqfgfvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemucegtddtnecunecujfgurhepfffhvffujgfkfhgfgggtsehttddttddtredvnecuhfhrohhmpeffrghvvgcujfhorhhsfhgrlhhluceouggrvhgvsehhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduuddtrddugedurdduleefrddvfeefnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehhvghloheprghnvghurhhinhdrhhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddutddrudeguddrudelfedrvdeffedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeeouggrvhgvsehhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrgheqpdhrtghpthhtohepoehtuhhhshesthhuhhhsrdhorhhgqe X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RG-VS-CLASS: clean Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (110.141.193.233) by smtp.telstra.com (5.8.418) id 5DF700CC0F60C0B7 for tuhs@tuhs.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:38:45 +1100 Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 02C5ci5Q082164 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:38:44 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 02C5cit0082161 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:38:44 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) X-Authentication-Warning: aneurin.horsfall.org: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:38:44 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <202003031815.023IFSlD493028@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20200311225638.GG89512@eureka.lemis.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) X-GPG-Public-Key: http://www.horsfall.org/gpgkey.pub X-GPG-Fingerprint: 05B4 FFBC 0218 B438 66E0 587B EF46 7357 EF5E F58B X-Home-Page: http://www.horsfall.org/ X-Witty-Saying: "chmod 666 the_mode_of_the_beast" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [TUHS] Command line options and complexity X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Wed, 11 Mar 2020, Steve Nickolas wrote: > I felt -c and -u were meaningless, but that's because of the filesystems > I usually work with that do not have functional equivalents. -u for one > is completely useless on VFAT even though it has such timestamps! > YMMV. I find those flags really useful when doing forensic analysis on a file system :-) One particular instance was at $ORKPLACE some years back when a critical chunk of a file system had somehow disappeared overnight (it was our source base!). I got to work by comparing login sessions with those someone-unknown "ls" flags and had just about nailed the perp who was online at the time when I was ordered off it in no uncertain terms. Ummm, did I mention that my then $BOSS had a habit of working from home after a few (and quite a few) drinks? As I said, I was this -><- far away from fingering him... As it stood I knew who it was but wasn't able to prove it in time. -- Dave