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* [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
@ 2021-01-13 23:41 Royce Williams
  2021-01-13 23:44 ` Deborah K Scherrer
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Congratulations to Ken Thompson, the newly-minted ACM Fellow:

https://awards.acm.org/award_winners/thompson_4588371

(It seemed of historical interest, and therefore on-topic. :) )

-- 
Royce

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* Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-13 23:41 [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson Royce Williams
@ 2021-01-13 23:44 ` Deborah K Scherrer
  2021-01-14  4:59 ` Dave Horsfall
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  To: tuhs

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Congratulations, Ken.  Well deserved!
Deborah

On 1/13/21 3:41 PM, Royce Williams wrote:
> Congratulations to Ken Thompson, the newly-minted ACM Fellow:
>
> https://awards.acm.org/award_winners/thompson_4588371
>
> (It seemed of historical interest, and therefore on-topic. :) )
>
> -- 
> Royce


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* Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-13 23:41 [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson Royce Williams
  2021-01-13 23:44 ` Deborah K Scherrer
@ 2021-01-14  4:59 ` Dave Horsfall
  2021-01-14  7:12   ` Robert Brockway
  2021-01-14 22:22   ` John Cowan
  2021-01-14  9:50 ` Thomas Paulsen
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2021-01-14  4:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021, Royce Williams wrote:

> Congratulations to Ken Thompson, the newly-minted ACM Fellow:
> 
> https://awards.acm.org/award_winners/thompson_4588371
> (It seemed of historical interest, and therefore on-topic. :) )

Congratubloodylations, as we say down-under; it is well-deserved. 
Without Unix I'd probably still be supporting RSX-11 and VMS etc; their 
foray into Unix (Eunice) was doomed.

An exchange with my then boss:

     Me: "Eunice makes VMS look civilised".

     He: "You mean it looks like Unix".

     Me: "That's what I said".

As you can imagine the conversation went downhill from there :-)

-- Dave

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* Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-14  4:59 ` Dave Horsfall
@ 2021-01-14  7:12   ` Robert Brockway
  2021-01-14 22:35     ` Dave Horsfall
  2021-01-14 22:22   ` John Cowan
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From: Robert Brockway @ 2021-01-14  7:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, Dave Horsfall wrote:

> As you can imagine the conversation went downhill from there :-)

I'm sure it's been seen before but I think it's timely...

https://dilbert.com/strip/1993-11-09

And congratulations Ken.  If only everyone knew how Unix has changed the 
world...

Rob

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* Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-13 23:41 [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson Royce Williams
  2021-01-13 23:44 ` Deborah K Scherrer
  2021-01-14  4:59 ` Dave Horsfall
@ 2021-01-14  9:50 ` Thomas Paulsen
  2021-01-14 13:21 ` Jim Capp
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  To: Royce Williams; +Cc: tuhs

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* [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-13 23:41 [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson Royce Williams
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2021-01-14  9:50 ` Thomas Paulsen
@ 2021-01-14 13:21 ` Jim Capp
  2021-01-14 15:19   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
  2021-01-14 14:20 ` Niklas Karlsson
  2021-01-15  4:26 ` Ed Bradford
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From: Jim Capp @ 2021-01-14 13:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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Ken, 


Congratulations on becoming an ACM Fellow! It gives me a little more respect for ACM :-) 


Cheers, 


Jim 



From: "Royce Williams" <royce@techsolvency.com> 
To: "The Eunuchs Hysterical Society" <tuhs@tuhs.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 6:41:47 PM 
Subject: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson 



Congratulations to Ken Thompson, the newly-minted ACM Fellow: 

https://awards.acm.org/award_winners/thompson_4588371 


(It seemed of historical interest, and therefore on-topic. :) ) 





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Royce 

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* Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-13 23:41 [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson Royce Williams
                   ` (3 preceding siblings ...)
  2021-01-14 13:21 ` Jim Capp
@ 2021-01-14 14:20 ` Niklas Karlsson
  2021-01-15  4:26 ` Ed Bradford
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From: Niklas Karlsson @ 2021-01-14 14:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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Congratulations, Ken! Well deserved.

Best regards,
Niklas

Den tors 14 jan. 2021 kl 00:43 skrev Royce Williams <royce@techsolvency.com
>:

> Congratulations to Ken Thompson, the newly-minted ACM Fellow:
>
> https://awards.acm.org/award_winners/thompson_4588371
>
> (It seemed of historical interest, and therefore on-topic. :) )
>
> --
> Royce
>

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* Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-14 13:21 ` Jim Capp
@ 2021-01-14 15:19   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
  2021-01-14 21:27     ` Ken Thompson
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Steffen Nurpmeso @ 2021-01-14 15:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jim Capp; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

Jim Capp wrote in
 <8225455.9789.1610630513672.JavaMail.root@zimbraanteil>:
 ...
 |Congratulations on becoming an ACM Fellow! It gives me a little more \
 |respect for ACM :-) 

Wonderful.  Laughter.

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,                The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter           he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)

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* Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-14 15:19   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
@ 2021-01-14 21:27     ` Ken Thompson
  2021-01-14 22:57       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
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From: Ken Thompson @ 2021-01-14 21:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jim Capp, The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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thank you.


On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 7:20 AM Steffen Nurpmeso <steffen@sdaoden.eu> wrote:

> Jim Capp wrote in
>  <8225455.9789.1610630513672.JavaMail.root@zimbraanteil>:
>  ...
>  |Congratulations on becoming an ACM Fellow! It gives me a little more \
>  |respect for ACM :-)
>
> Wonderful.  Laughter.
>
> --steffen
> |
> |Der Kragenbaer,                The moon bear,
> |der holt sich munter           he cheerfully and one by one
> |einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
> |(By Robert Gernhardt)
>

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* Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-14  4:59 ` Dave Horsfall
  2021-01-14  7:12   ` Robert Brockway
@ 2021-01-14 22:22   ` John Cowan
  2021-01-15 20:14     ` Dave Horsfall
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From: John Cowan @ 2021-01-14 22:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Horsfall; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:00 AM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:


> Congratubloodylations, as we say down-under; it is well-deserved.
> Without Unix I'd probably still be supporting RSX-11 and VMS etc; their
> foray into Unix (Eunice) was doomed.
>

Whose foray?  Not DEC's.  Eunice was built at SRI and sold by the
Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections.  I was always
very happy with it, as I am with Cygwin today.  Ultrix, on the other hand,
was DEC's: a BSD with SysV hacks, as opposed to Solaris which was the other
way around.

The Dilbert strip probably explains why everyone who could, wore beards in
those days.  Just to prevent that mistake.



John Cowan          http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan        cowan@ccil.org
Being understandable rather than obscurantist poses certain
risks, in that one's opinions are clear and therefore falsifiable
in the light of new data, but it has the advantage of encouraging
feedback from others.  --James A. Matisoff

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* Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-14  7:12   ` Robert Brockway
@ 2021-01-14 22:35     ` Dave Horsfall
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  To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, Robert Brockway wrote:

> I'm sure it's been seen before but I think it's timely...
>
> https://dilbert.com/strip/1993-11-09

Oh dear...

> And congratulations Ken.  If only everyone knew how Unix has changed the 
> world...

Indeed!

-- Dave

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* Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-14 21:27     ` Ken Thompson
@ 2021-01-14 22:57       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
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From: Steffen Nurpmeso @ 2021-01-14 22:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ken Thompson; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

Ken Thompson wrote in
 <CAMP=X_m09p6yhoqFJg7rxf_7ydkZNyVB3HJ6so=4Z6yNO_1rsA@mail.gmail.com>:
 |On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 7:20 AM Steffen Nurpmeso <steffen@sdaoden.eu> \
 |wrote:
 |> Jim Capp wrote in
 |>  <8225455.9789.1610630513672.JavaMail.root@zimbraanteil>:
 |>  ...
 |>|Congratulations on becoming an ACM Fellow! It gives me a little more \
 |>|respect for ACM :-)
 |>
 |> Wonderful.  Laughter.

 |thank you.

This surely is a mountainful of all in return (Mr. Ken Thompson).

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,                The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter           he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)

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* Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-13 23:41 [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson Royce Williams
                   ` (4 preceding siblings ...)
  2021-01-14 14:20 ` Niklas Karlsson
@ 2021-01-15  4:26 ` Ed Bradford
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From: Ed Bradford @ 2021-01-15  4:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Royce Williams; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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Congratulations Ken Thompson. 127 was an inspiration to all us
old time BTL folks. In my view this award is long overdue.

Go well and stay well.

Ed


On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 5:43 PM Royce Williams <royce@techsolvency.com>
wrote:

> Congratulations to Ken Thompson, the newly-minted ACM Fellow:
>
> https://awards.acm.org/award_winners/thompson_4588371
>
> (It seemed of historical interest, and therefore on-topic. :) )
>
> --
> Royce
>


-- 
Advice is judged by results, not by intentions.
  Cicero

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* Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-14 22:22   ` John Cowan
@ 2021-01-15 20:14     ` Dave Horsfall
  2021-01-15 22:17       ` John Cowan
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2021-01-15 20:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, John Cowan wrote:

> > Congratubloodylations, as we say down-under; it is well-deserved.
> > 
> > Without Unix I'd probably still be supporting RSX-11 and VMS etc; 
> > their foray into Unix (Eunice) was doomed.
> 
> Whose foray?  Not DEC's.  Eunice was built at SRI and sold by the 
> Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections.  I was 
> always very happy with it, as I am with Cygwin today.  Ultrix, on the 
> other hand, was DEC's: a BSD with SysV hacks, as opposed to Solaris 
> which was the other way around.

I have alternative facts :-)

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunice_(software)

``Eunice was a Unix-like working environment for VAX computers
   running DEC's VAX/VMS, based on the BSD version of Unix. It was
   originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and later
   maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.''

> The Dilbert strip probably explains why everyone who could, wore beards 
> in those days.  Just to prevent that mistake.

At one place I worked, every Unix bod sported facial fungus; it must be a 
Unix thing...

-- Dave

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* Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-15 20:14     ` Dave Horsfall
@ 2021-01-15 22:17       ` John Cowan
  2021-01-16  2:29         ` Warner Losh
  2021-01-17 22:19         ` Dave Horsfall
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From: John Cowan @ 2021-01-15 22:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Horsfall; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:


> > Whose foray?  Not DEC's.  Eunice was built at SRI and sold by the
> > Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections.
>


>  It was
> originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and later
> maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.''
>

Where's the disagreement?

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* Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-15 22:17       ` John Cowan
@ 2021-01-16  2:29         ` Warner Losh
  2021-01-19 22:29           ` Heinz Lycklama
  2021-01-17 22:19         ` Dave Horsfall
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From: Warner Losh @ 2021-01-16  2:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: John Cowan; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:18 PM John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:
>
>
>> > Whose foray?  Not DEC's.  Eunice was built at SRI and sold by the
>> > Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections.
>>
>
>
>>  It was
>> originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and later
>> maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.''
>>
>
> Where's the disagreement?
>

Eunice post-dated DEC's first Unix offering by several years. They sold V7
and later V7M before rebranding it to Ultrix. Eunice was 4.1BSD (later 4.2
and 4.3) that Dr  Kashtan grafted into VMS in ways that... provoke strong
feelings among reviewers...  The TCP/IP stack that was inside of Eunice
would form the basis for Wollongong's TCP/IP offerings on VMS... A more
refined version, also done I think by Kashtan, was marketed by TGV and
there was always much rivalry between the two companies...

Wollongong got its license because they were the marketing company formed
to market Dr. Miller's port to Interdata, and they later branched out
significantly because their license was so special...  Or at least that's
the story they told customers and internally... I never saw the original
license to know...

Warner

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* Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-15 22:17       ` John Cowan
  2021-01-16  2:29         ` Warner Losh
@ 2021-01-17 22:19         ` Dave Horsfall
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2021-01-17 22:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Fri, 15 Jan 2021, John Cowan wrote (and somehow mangled the formatting)::

> >     > Whose foray?  Not DEC's.  Eunice was built at SRI and sold by
> >     the
> >     > Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections.  
> 
> >
> >      It was
> >     originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and
> >     later
> >     maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.''
> 
> Where's the disagreement?

You appeared to disagree with my (joking) observation that Eunice made VMS 
look civilised, as though Eunice was never designed for it (I have the 
thread archived somewhere).

-- Dave

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* Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-16  2:29         ` Warner Losh
@ 2021-01-19 22:29           ` Heinz Lycklama
  2021-01-19 22:33             ` Warner Losh
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From: Heinz Lycklama @ 2021-01-19 22:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

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INTERACTIVE Systems Corp. (ISC) also ported a UNIX system to an
early VAX 750 computer running DEC's VMS operating system
starting in mid- 1978. ISC was in the business of porting the
UNIX operating system to many different computer hardware
architectures, mini-computers to mainframes, but the first
complete UNIX system port was actually done to the DEC VMS
system. We delivered the first UNIX on VMS system to a customer
in the Fall of 1979.  Many of these systems were delivered to
customers in North America as well as in Europe well into
the mid-1980's.

Heinz

On 1/15/2021 6:29 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:18 PM John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org 
> <mailto:cowan@ccil.org>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org
>     <mailto:dave@horsfall.org>> wrote:
>
>         > Whose foray? Not DEC's.  Eunice was built at SRI and sold by
>         the
>         > Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections.
>
>          It was
>         originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and later
>         maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.''
>
>
>     Where's the disagreement?
>
>
> Eunice post-dated DEC's first Unix offering by several years. They 
> sold V7 and later V7M before rebranding it to Ultrix. Eunice was 
> 4.1BSD (later 4.2 and 4.3) that Dr Kashtan grafted into VMS in ways 
> that... provoke strong feelings among reviewers...  The TCP/IP stack 
> that was inside of Eunice would form the basis for Wollongong's TCP/IP 
> offerings on VMS... A more refined version, also done I think by 
> Kashtan, was marketed by TGV and there was always much rivalry between 
> the two companies...
>
> Wollongong got its license because they were the marketing company 
> formed to market Dr. Miller's port to Interdata, and they later 
> branched out significantly because their license was so special...  Or 
> at least that's the story they told customers and internally... I 
> never saw the original license to know...
>
> Warner


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* Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-19 22:29           ` Heinz Lycklama
@ 2021-01-19 22:33             ` Warner Losh
  2021-01-20  5:21               ` Heinz Lycklama
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Warner Losh @ 2021-01-19 22:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: heinz; +Cc: TUHS main list

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 3:30 PM Heinz Lycklama <heinz@osta.com> wrote:

> INTERACTIVE Systems Corp. (ISC) also ported a UNIX system to an
> early VAX 750 computer running DEC's VMS operating system
> starting in mid- 1978. ISC was in the business of porting the
> UNIX operating system to many different computer hardware
> architectures, mini-computers to mainframes, but the first
> complete UNIX system port was actually done to the DEC VMS
> system. We delivered the first UNIX on VMS system to a customer
> in the Fall of 1979.  Many of these systems were delivered to
> customers in North America as well as in Europe well into
> the mid-1980's.
>

What relationship, if any, does this have to V32? Or maybe "Was that based
on V7 or V32?" is the right question...

Also, this wasn't something that I had on my list... Any chance there's a
paper / article / etc on this?

And thank you for your remembrance...

Warner


> Heinz
>
> On 1/15/2021 6:29 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:18 PM John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> > Whose foray?  Not DEC's.  Eunice was built at SRI and sold by the
>>> > Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections.
>>>
>>
>>
>>>  It was
>>> originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and later
>>> maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.''
>>>
>>
>> Where's the disagreement?
>>
>
> Eunice post-dated DEC's first Unix offering by several years. They sold V7
> and later V7M before rebranding it to Ultrix. Eunice was 4.1BSD (later 4.2
> and 4.3) that Dr  Kashtan grafted into VMS in ways that... provoke strong
> feelings among reviewers...  The TCP/IP stack that was inside of Eunice
> would form the basis for Wollongong's TCP/IP offerings on VMS... A more
> refined version, also done I think by Kashtan, was marketed by TGV and
> there was always much rivalry between the two companies...
>
> Wollongong got its license because they were the marketing company formed
> to market Dr. Miller's port to Interdata, and they later branched out
> significantly because their license was so special...  Or at least that's
> the story they told customers and internally... I never saw the original
> license to know...
>
> Warner
>
>
>

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* Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson
  2021-01-19 22:33             ` Warner Losh
@ 2021-01-20  5:21               ` Heinz Lycklama
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From: Heinz Lycklama @ 2021-01-20  5:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Warner Losh; +Cc: TUHS main list

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No relation to either V32 or V7. When we started the project
we used the existing version of UNIX that we were selling on
the PDP 11/45 and PDP 11/70 computers. I believe it was V6.
I wrote a lot of documentation and gave a lot of talks and
presentations on the system, but never kept any of the
documentation myself. There may be some documentation
in someone's archives but I did not keep any.

Heinz

On 1/19/2021 2:33 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 3:30 PM Heinz Lycklama <heinz@osta.com 
> <mailto:heinz@osta.com>> wrote:
>
>     INTERACTIVE Systems Corp. (ISC) also ported a UNIX system to an
>     early VAX 11/750 computer running DEC's VMS operating system
>     starting in mid- 1978. ISC was in the business of porting the
>     UNIX operating system to many different computer hardware
>     architectures, mini-computers to mainframes, but the first
>     complete UNIX system port was actually done to the DEC VMS
>     system. We delivered the first UNIX on VMS system to a customer
>     in the Fall of 1979.  Many of these systems were delivered to
>     customers in North America as well as in Europe well into
>     the mid-1980's.
>
>
> What relationship, if any, does this have to V32? Or maybe "Was that 
> based on V7 or V32?" is the right question...
>
> Also, this wasn't something that I had on my list... Any chance 
> there's a paper / article / etc on this?
>
> And thank you for your remembrance...
>
> Warner
>
>     Heinz
>
>     On 1/15/2021 6:29 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
>>
>>
>>     On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:18 PM John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org
>>     <mailto:cowan@ccil.org>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall
>>         <dave@horsfall.org <mailto:dave@horsfall.org>> wrote:
>>
>>             > Whose foray?  Not DEC's.  Eunice was built at SRI and
>>             sold by the
>>             > Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian
>>             connections.
>>
>>              It was
>>             originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1]
>>             and later
>>             maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.''
>>
>>
>>         Where's the disagreement?
>>
>>
>>     Eunice post-dated DEC's first Unix offering by several years.
>>     They sold V7 and later V7M before rebranding it to Ultrix. Eunice
>>     was 4.1BSD (later 4.2 and 4.3) that Dr  Kashtan grafted into VMS
>>     in ways that... provoke strong feelings among reviewers...  The
>>     TCP/IP stack that was inside of Eunice would form the basis for
>>     Wollongong's TCP/IP offerings on VMS... A more refined version,
>>     also done I think by Kashtan, was marketed by TGV and there was
>>     always much rivalry between the two companies...
>>
>>     Wollongong got its license because they were the marketing
>>     company formed to market Dr. Miller's port to Interdata, and they
>>     later branched out significantly because their license was so
>>     special...  Or at least that's the story they told customers and
>>     internally... I never saw the original license to know...
>>
>>     Warner
>


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2021-01-13 23:41 [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson Royce Williams
2021-01-13 23:44 ` Deborah K Scherrer
2021-01-14  4:59 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-01-14  7:12   ` Robert Brockway
2021-01-14 22:35     ` Dave Horsfall
2021-01-14 22:22   ` John Cowan
2021-01-15 20:14     ` Dave Horsfall
2021-01-15 22:17       ` John Cowan
2021-01-16  2:29         ` Warner Losh
2021-01-19 22:29           ` Heinz Lycklama
2021-01-19 22:33             ` Warner Losh
2021-01-20  5:21               ` Heinz Lycklama
2021-01-17 22:19         ` Dave Horsfall
2021-01-14  9:50 ` Thomas Paulsen
2021-01-14 13:21 ` Jim Capp
2021-01-14 15:19   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2021-01-14 21:27     ` Ken Thompson
2021-01-14 22:57       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
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