From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2772 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2021 03:11:53 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 27 Jan 2021 03:11:53 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D8FE09C094; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:11:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155689B720; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:11:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B53609B720; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:11:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from nsstlmta21p.bpe.bigpond.com (nsstlmta21p.bpe.bigpond.com [203.38.21.21]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5328E9B715 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:11:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp.telstra.com ([10.10.24.4]) by nsstlfep21p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au with ESMTP id <20210127031129.NRIA11248.nsstlfep21p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au@smtp.telstra.com> for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:11:29 +1100 X-RG-Spam: Unknown X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrvdejgdehjecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfupfevtfgpvffgnffuvffttedpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecugedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffvufgjkfhffgggtgesthdttddttdervdenucfhrhhomhepffgrvhgvucfjohhrshhfrghllhcuoegurghvvgeshhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeekieetjeeuuefhfeeguedvudeifeevudfgvedtffekhfffjeekhfdutdetheethfenucfkphepuddutddrudeguddrudelfedrvdeffeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopegrnhgvuhhrihhnrdhhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeduuddtrddugedurdduleefrddvfeefpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepoegurghvvgeshhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgqedprhgtphhtthhopeeothhuhhhssehtuhhhshdrohhrgheq X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RG-VS-CLASS: clean Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (110.141.193.233) by smtp.telstra.com (5.8.420) id 5FE6CD4108EE8D41 for tuhs@tuhs.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:11:28 +1100 Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 10R3BSgp049646 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:11:28 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 10R3BRWm049643 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:11:28 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) X-Authentication-Warning: aneurin.horsfall.org: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:11:26 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-Reply-To: <202101260138.10Q1ceo21049597@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Message-ID: References: <20210124183653.GD21030@mcvoy.com> <202101242045.10OKjDvA964774@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20210124211100.GI21030@mcvoy.com> <202101242114.10OLEYGk966708@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20210124212525.GJ21030@mcvoy.com> <202101242333.10ONXjcI974038@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <202101250021.10P0L3Z2976588@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <6557f782-ecb1-6476-1eda-e23f30f9bbea@bitsavers.org> <202101260138.10Q1ceo21049597@darkstar.fourwinds.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) X-GPG-Public-Key: http://www.horsfall.org/gpgkey.pub X-GPG-Fingerprint: 05B4 FFBC 0218 B438 66E0 587B EF46 7357 EF5E F58B X-Home-Page: http://www.horsfall.org/ X-Witty-Saying: "chmod 666 the_mode_of_the_beast" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [TUHS] tangential unix question: whatever happened to NeWS? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Mon, 25 Jan 2021, Jon Steinhart wrote: > We're lucky that Don Knuth had nothing to do with X? > > Why? > > He would have called it ecccchhhhh. An oldie but a goodie :-) Heh; at one job I was asked whether I knew X; I answered that I could spell it... $PHB not impressed, but I quickly learned it. Ugh! I've seen some ugly windowing systems in my time, but X... Heck, even CP/M had a better system, IIRC. Talk about heavyweight; how many lines of code were required to write "Hello, world"? That, BTW, is my benchmark for usability etc. And yes, I've seen all the jokes; my favourite is manager to worker bee: "I need a program to print 'Hello World' by this afternoon". -- Dave, who might even tell the OS/360 "EI" story from an old boss