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From: Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org>
To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Abstractions
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:40:57 +1100 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.2102220924220.70858@aneurin.horsfall.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKH6PiXW80gL1Hy7nVTrZ1Wm-zbKZGUj8+T8Ui4cjWdW=vV1LA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, 20 Feb 2021, M Douglas McIlroy wrote:

>>  - separation of code and data using read-only and read/write file
>>  systems
>
> I'll bite. How do you install code in a read-only file system? And where 
> does a.out go?

I once worked for a place who reckoned that /bin and /lib etc ought to be 
in an EEPROM; I reckon that he was right (Penguin/OS dumps everything 
under /usr/bin, for example).

> My guess is that /bin is in a file system of its own. Executables from 
> /letc and /lib are probably there too. On the other hand, I guess users' 
> personal code is still read/write.

That's how we ran our RK-05 11/40s since Ed 5...  Good fun writing a DJ-11 
driver from the DH-11 source; even more fun when I wrote a UT-200 driver 
from the manual alone (I'm sure that "ei.c" is Out There Somewhere), 
junking IanJ's driver.

The war stories that I could tell...

> I agree that such an arrangement is prudent. I don't see a way, though, 
> to update bin without disrupting most running programs.

Change is inevitable; the trick is to minimise the disruption.

-- Dave, who carried RK-05s all over the UNSW campus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-02-21 22:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-20 23:09 M Douglas McIlroy
2021-02-21  8:15 ` Otto Moerbeek
2021-02-21 11:08 ` Rich Morin
2021-02-21 22:40 ` Dave Horsfall [this message]
2021-02-21 23:01   ` Steve Nickolas
2021-02-23  3:31     ` Andrew Warkentin
2021-02-23 17:29       ` [TUHS] /usr separation (was: Abstractions) Greg A. Woods
2021-02-23 18:28         ` [TUHS] /usr separation Grant Taylor via TUHS
2021-02-23 18:57           ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-02-23 20:29             ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2021-02-24 14:14               ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-02-24 17:50                 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2021-02-24 18:37                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-02-24 18:48                     ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2021-02-25  3:38                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-02-24 20:25                     ` Steve Nickolas
2021-02-24 22:08                       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2021-02-24  3:12         ` [TUHS] /usr separation (was: Abstractions) Andrew Warkentin
2021-02-22  0:13   ` [TUHS] Abstractions Warren Toomey
2021-02-27  2:47     ` Dave Horsfall
2021-02-23  0:25   ` Wesley Parish
2021-02-23  0:38     ` Steve Nickolas
2021-02-23  2:50       ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-02-23  3:19         ` Warner Losh
2021-02-23  1:47     ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-02-21 22:54 ` Clem Cole
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-02-24  4:18 Rudi Blom
2021-02-23 19:37 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2021-02-23 21:02 ` Charles H. Sauer
2021-02-23 21:15   ` Henry Bent
2021-02-24  2:47     ` Greg A. Woods
2021-02-24  3:20       ` Warner Losh
2021-02-24 20:05         ` Greg A. Woods
2021-02-24  1:51 ` Greg A. Woods
2021-02-24  2:23   ` Nelson H. F. Beebe
2021-02-21 10:47 Paul Ruizendaal
2021-02-15 19:56 Jon Steinhart
2021-02-15 21:52 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-02-16  7:13   ` arnold
2021-02-16  8:15 ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
2021-02-16 10:04   ` Wesley Parish
2021-02-16 19:59   ` Jon Steinhart
2021-02-17  4:01     ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-02-17  6:50     ` Chris Hanson
2021-02-16 12:26 ` Rich Morin
2021-02-16 22:46 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2021-02-17 12:09 ` David Arnold

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