From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 12162 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2021 05:50:10 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Apr 2021 05:50:10 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D82429CAF0; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:50:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993A99CA6A; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:49:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 2854D9C883; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:49:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from nsstlmta20p.bpe.bigpond.com (nsstlmta20p.bpe.bigpond.com [203.38.21.20]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EA379C83D for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:49:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp.telstra.com ([10.10.24.4]) by nsstlfep20p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au with ESMTP id <20210406054904.WUFM13437.nsstlfep20p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au@smtp.telstra.com> for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:49:04 +1000 X-RG-Spam: Unknown X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrudejfedguddttdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfupfevtfgpvffgnffuvffttedpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecugedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffvufgjkfhffgggtgesthdttddttdervdenucfhrhhomhepffgrvhgvucfjohhrshhfrghllhcuoegurghvvgeshhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeekieetjeeuuefhfeeguedvudeifeevudfgvedtffekhfffjeekhfdutdetheethfenucfkphepuddutddrudeguddrudelfedrvdeffeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopegrnhgvuhhrihhnrdhhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeduuddtrddugedurdduleefrddvfeefpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepoegurghvvgeshhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgqedprhgtphhtthhopeeothhuhhhssehtuhhhshdrohhrgheq X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RG-VS-CLASS: clean Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (110.141.193.233) by smtp.telstra.com (5.8.420) id 5FE6CD411CDD0320 for tuhs@tuhs.org; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:49:04 +1000 Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 1365n3PP045967 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:49:03 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 1365n29u045964 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:49:03 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) X-Authentication-Warning: aneurin.horsfall.org: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:49:02 +1000 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-Reply-To: <19643.1617646039@hop.toad.com> Message-ID: References: <20210401145025.GA1202@naleco.com> <20210404052939.xivuinlcugqb5zde@localhost.localdomain> <19643.1617646039@hop.toad.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) X-GPG-Public-Key: http://www.horsfall.org/gpgkey.pub X-GPG-Fingerprint: 05B4 FFBC 0218 B438 66E0 587B EF46 7357 EF5E F58B X-Home-Page: http://www.horsfall.org/ X-Witty-Saying: "chmod 666 the_mode_of_the_beast" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [TUHS] How to Kill a Technical Conference X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Mon, 5 Apr 2021, John Gilmore wrote: > I'm an engineer, not an academic. [...] The paper was rejected by the > program committee, on the objection that "ports aren't research". This of course will come as news to those of us who had to port Unix to a different architecture... Especially when the hardware didn't work as documented :-( I think the most egregious example was DEC's Unibus; the specs were vague enough that 3rd-party cards wouldn't work (timing issues) so DEC could turn around and say that you ought to use our gear (which of course observed the undocumented precise timing). -- Dave