From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 13649 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2022 21:45:19 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 9 Sep 2022 21:45:19 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE644289E; Sat, 10 Sep 2022 07:45:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from nsstlmta02p.bpe.bigpond.com (nsstlmta02p.bpe.bigpond.com [203.38.21.2]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F9964176B for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2022 07:45:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp.telstra.com ([10.10.24.4]) by nsstlfep02p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au with ESMTP id <20220909214459.ESEJ6326.nsstlfep02p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au@smtp.telstra.com> for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2022 07:44:59 +1000 X-RG-Spam: Unknown X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvfedrfedtiedgtddvucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuuffpveftpgfvgffnuffvtfetpdfqfgfvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemucegtddtnecunecujfgurhepfffhvffujgfkfhgfgggtsehttddttddtredvnecuhfhrohhmpeffrghvvgcujfhorhhsfhgrlhhluceouggrvhgvsehhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrgheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepkeeiteejueeuhfefgeeuvdduieefvedugfevtdffkefhffejkefhuddtteehtefhnecukfhppeduuddtrddugedurdduleefrddvfeefnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehhvghloheprghnvghurhhinhdrhhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddutddrudeguddrudelfedrvdeffedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegurghvvgeshhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgpdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopedupdhrtghpthhtohepthhuhhhssehtuhhhshdrohhrghdprhgvvhfkrfeptghpvgdquddutddqudeguddqudelfedqvdeffedrnhhsfidrrghsphdrthgvlhhsthhrrgdrnhgvthdpghgvohhipheptegfpdhmthgrhhhoshhtpehnshhsthhlrhhguddvphdqshhvtg X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RG-VS-CLASS: clean Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (110.141.193.233) by smtp.telstra.com (5.8.811) id 63045BAA03D129A7 for tuhs@tuhs.org; Sat, 10 Sep 2022 07:44:59 +1000 Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 289LiwMh009635 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2022 07:44:58 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 289LiwlK009632 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2022 07:44:58 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) X-Authentication-Warning: aneurin.horsfall.org: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2022 07:44:57 +1000 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) X-GPG-Public-Key: http://www.horsfall.org/gpgkey.pub X-GPG-Fingerprint: 05B4 FFBC 0218 B438 66E0 587B EF46 7357 EF5E F58B X-Home-Page: http://www.horsfall.org/ X-Witty-Saying: "chmod 666 the_mode_of_the_beast" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID-Hash: AIMH25U7TJA7FVF2ZF2XIC3BLVOPBQYH X-Message-ID-Hash: AIMH25U7TJA7FVF2ZF2XIC3BLVOPBQYH X-MailFrom: dave@horsfall.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Does anybody know the etymology of the term "word" as in collection of bits? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 9 Sep 2022, Bakul Shah wrote: > And yet according to Wilner's article "the B1700 appears to require less > than half the memory needed by byte-oriented systems to represent > programs. Comparisons with word-oriented systems are even more > favorable." The Burroughs series were beautiful machines; the hardware ran native ALGOL (and thus were perfect); my favourite "B" still remains the B1500. Things went downhill after the unholy alliance betwixt M$ and Inhell... > Figure 9 shows sample sizes for Cobol, Fortran and RPG II programs > comparing B1700 code sizes with other systems. I was surprised to > see this but didn't look further. COBOL? FORTRAN? RPG? Those are all swear words to me :-) -- Dave