From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 10536 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2022 00:45:47 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 5 Nov 2022 00:45:47 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8603841DDB; Sat, 5 Nov 2022 10:45:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from nsstlmta36p.bpe.bigpond.com (nsstlmta36p.bpe.bigpond.com [203.38.21.36]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2E9441DD5 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2022 10:45:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp.telstra.com ([10.10.24.4]) by nsstlfep36p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au with ESMTP id <20221105004528.XANS6034.nsstlfep36p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au@smtp.telstra.com> for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2022 11:45:28 +1100 X-RG-Spam: Unknown X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvgedrvddvgddvhecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfupfevtfgpvffgnffuvffttedpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecugedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffvufgjkfhffgggtgesthdttddttdervdenucfhrhhomhepffgrvhgvucfjohhrshhfrghllhcuoegurghvvgeshhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeekieetjeeuuefhfeeguedvudeifeevudfgvedtffekhfffjeekhfdutdetheethfenucfkphepuddutddrudeguddrudelfedrvdeffeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopegrnhgvuhhrihhnrdhhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeduuddtrddugedurdduleefrddvfeefpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepuggrvhgvsehhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrghdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddprhgtphhtthhopehtuhhhshesthhuhhhsrdhorhhgpdhrvghvkffrpegtphgvqdduuddtqddugeduqdduleefqddvfeefrdhnshifrdgrshhprdhtvghlshhtrhgrrdhnvghtpdhgvghokffrpeetfgdpoffvtefjohhsthepnhhsshhtlhhrghduudhpqdhsvhgt X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RG-VS-CLASS: clean Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (110.141.193.233) by smtp.telstra.com (5.8.812) id 635AFFF701ACD5BE for tuhs@tuhs.org; Sat, 5 Nov 2022 11:45:28 +1100 Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 2A50jRCR053513 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2022 11:45:27 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 2A50jQNj053510 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2022 11:45:27 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) X-Authentication-Warning: aneurin.horsfall.org: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 11:45:26 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <7b249e68-de74-2c81-32b0-18ecb74a85ec@aueb.gr> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) X-GPG-Public-Key: http://www.horsfall.org/gpgkey.pub X-GPG-Fingerprint: 05B4 FFBC 0218 B438 66E0 587B EF46 7357 EF5E F58B X-Home-Page: http://www.horsfall.org/ X-Witty-Saying: "chmod 666 the_mode_of_the_beast" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID-Hash: 26VOZBLVHPXFT2K34NGUEMUCXN7PUGVU X-Message-ID-Hash: 26VOZBLVHPXFT2K34NGUEMUCXN7PUGVU X-MailFrom: dave@horsfall.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: vi in cooked mode? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 4 Nov 2022, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > Yeah, same here, although my start was with the editor that came with > the PDP-8 disk operating system (using an ASR-35), the PDP-15's > foreground/background system (using a KSR-33), and the PDP-11's RT-11 > running under TSX-plus (using VT-100's and DECwriter for the console). I started off with TECO on RT-11; talk about cryptic... > So when I finally got a chance to use Unix when I got to college, > /bin/ed was so similar to the line oriented editors I had used on the > various Digital systems I had a chance to use while growing up and in > high school, I never bothered to use vi. It was either ed or emacs, > depending on how loaded the time-sharing systems I was using in my > freshman year. Shortly after I switched to "ed" on the 11/40 someone brought out "em" (editor for mortals) which was sort of a screen editor: I recall saying "what a stupid command name" as it was only a fumble away from "rm" :-( > Of course, once I had a chance to use a Vaxstation or the IBM PC/RT all > to myself, I jumped over to emacs and never looked back --- except when > I was recovering a system in single user mode, of course. A boss of mine insisted that everyone had to learned "ed", because after a system crash it might be the only editor available; that, or having to dial in over a slow modem. -- Dave