From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 1262 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2022 04:23:34 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 31 Dec 2022 04:23:34 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D663042397; Sat, 31 Dec 2022 14:23:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: from nsstlmta13p.bpe.bigpond.com (nsstlmta13p.bpe.bigpond.com [203.38.21.13]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91FDF4237E for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2022 14:23:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp.telstra.com ([10.10.24.4]) by nsstlfep13p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au with ESMTP id <20221231042305.KBOQ7007.nsstlfep13p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au@smtp.telstra.com> for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2022 15:23:05 +1100 X-RG-Spam: Unknown X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrieejgdejvdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfupfevtfgpvffgnffuvffttedpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecugedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffvufgjkfhffgggtgesthdttddttdervdenucfhrhhomhepffgrvhgvucfjohhrshhfrghllhcuoegurghvvgeshhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeekieetjeeuuefhfeeguedvudeifeevudfgvedtffekhfffjeekhfdutdetheethfenucfkphepuddutddrudeguddrudelfedrvdeffeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopegrnhgvuhhrihhnrdhhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeduuddtrddugedurdduleefrddvfeefpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepuggrvhgvsehhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrghdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddprhgtphhtthhopehtuhhhshesthhuhhhsrdhorhhgpdhrvghvkffrpegtphgvqdduuddtqddugeduqdduleefqddvfeefrdhnshifrdgrshhprdhtvghlshhtrhgrrdhnvghtpdhgvghokffrpeetfgdpoffvtefjohhsthepnhhsshhtlhhrghduudhpqdhsvhgt X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RG-VS-CLASS: clean Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (110.141.193.233) by smtp.telstra.com (5.8.812) id 6392A87C03F7791B for tuhs@tuhs.org; Sat, 31 Dec 2022 15:23:04 +1100 Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 2BV4N4ok092798 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2022 15:23:04 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 2BV4N4Sl092795 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2022 15:23:04 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) X-Authentication-Warning: aneurin.horsfall.org: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 15:23:03 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-Reply-To: <20221231035931.GG5825@mcvoy.com> Message-ID: References: <52FB6638-AEFF-4A4F-8C2E-32089D577BA0@planet.nl> <464819f0-d2f6-2a60-6481-a194f4428b4d@case.edu> <20221230200246.GW5825@mcvoy.com> <88f83b4c-b3f9-ed87-b2fa-560fb369742a@makerlisp.com> <20221231035931.GG5825@mcvoy.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) X-GPG-Public-Key: http://www.horsfall.org/gpgkey.pub X-GPG-Fingerprint: 05B4 FFBC 0218 B438 66E0 587B EF46 7357 EF5E F58B X-Home-Page: http://www.horsfall.org/ X-Witty-Saying: "chmod 666 the_mode_of_the_beast" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID-Hash: SCEJYRDLKNDD2Y7DMB3I6N6ZCUPYK6QX X-Message-ID-Hash: SCEJYRDLKNDD2Y7DMB3I6N6ZCUPYK6QX X-MailFrom: dave@horsfall.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: A few comments on porting the Bourne shell List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 30 Dec 2022, Larry McVoy wrote: > When I was running my engineering team I was strict about Bourne syntax > and features only. I got pushed on like crazy because "bash has this > $GOODNESS whhhhhhhy can't we use it". Because we were supporting our > product on pretty much every unix and if it wasn't HP-UX that had an > ancient /bin/sh, it was AIX or whoever. I've never bothered to learn those Bash thingies, because "expr" does everything that I need and is available on just about all boxes. > Over and over, I won the "straight bourne shell only" battle. So I > agree, if you want /bin/sh to work, Bourne shell for the win. Yep; whoever wrote CSH must've been high on something, as the syntax makes no sense whatsoever. > For a login shell, bash is my shell of choice. It's bloated but I'm > typing this on a 5 year old Lenova X1 Carbon with 16GB of memory and 4 > cores and it's fine. It was fine a 133mhz Pentium. I do admit to being a bit of a ZSH user... I've never bothered to learn all its features, but the subset I use gets me through. -- Dave