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* [TUHS] Re: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary
@ 2023-03-10 11:37 Noel Chiappa
  2023-03-10 11:51 ` [TUHS] Conditions, AKA exceptions. (Was: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary) Ralph Corderoy
  2023-03-10 15:54 ` [TUHS] Re: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary Dan Cross
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 44+ messages in thread
From: Noel Chiappa @ 2023-03-10 11:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: imp, segaloco; +Cc: tuhs

    > From: Warner Losh

    > In C I use it all the time to do goto err for common error recovery
    > because C doesn't have anything better.

That's because C doesn't have 'conditions'. (Apparently, from the following
posts, most people here are unfamiliar with them. Too bad, they are a great
idea. OK summary here:

  http://gunkies.org/wiki/Condition_handler

for those who are unfamiliar with the idea.)

I was at one point writing a compiler using a recursive descent parser, and
decided the code would be a lot simpler/cleaner if I had them. (If, for
example, one discovers discovers an un-expected 'end of file', there can be
an extremely large number of procedure invocations in between where that is
discovered, and where it is desirable to handle it. So every possible
intervening procedure would have to have an 'unexpected EOF' return value,
one would have to write code in every possible intervening procedure to
_handle_ an 'unexpected EOF' return value, etc.)'

(Yes, I could have used setjmp/longjmp; those are effectively a limited
version of condition handlers.)

Since C has a stack, it was relatively easy to implement, without any compiler
support: on() became a macro for 'if _on("condition_name")'; _on() was a
partially-assembler procedure which i) stacked the handler (I forget where I
put it; I may have created a special 'condition stack', to avoid too many
changes to the main C stack), and ii) patched the calling procedure's return
point to jump to some code that unstacked the handler, and iii) returned
'false'. If the condition occurred, a return from _on() was simulated,
returning 'true', etc.

So the code had things like:

	on ("unexpected EOF") {
		code to deal with it
		}

With no compiler support, it added a tiny bit of overhead
(stacking/unstacking conditions), but not too bad.

John Wroclawski and someone implemented a very similar thing
entirely in C; IIRC it was built on top of setjmp/longjmp. I don't
recall how it dealt with un-stacking handlers on exit (which mine
did silently).

    Noel

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* [TUHS] Re: [TUHS]: C dialects (was: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary)
@ 2023-03-15  3:59 Noel Chiappa
  2023-03-15  4:33 ` John Cowan
  2023-03-16 22:50 ` Bakul Shah
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 44+ messages in thread
From: Noel Chiappa @ 2023-03-15  3:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

    > From: Bakul Shah

    > In hindsight Algol68 may have been the last committee designed language
    > that was good.

I do not grant your basic assertion. Hoare had it right: "ALGOL 60 [was] a
language so far ahead of its time that it was not only an improvement on its
predecessors but also on nearly all its successors." That would definitely
include Algol68, which was a classic committee-designed nightmare.

	Noel


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2023-03-10 11:37 [TUHS] Re: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary Noel Chiappa
2023-03-10 11:51 ` [TUHS] Conditions, AKA exceptions. (Was: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary) Ralph Corderoy
2023-03-10 15:54 ` [TUHS] Re: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary Dan Cross
2023-03-12  7:39   ` Anthony Martin
2023-03-12 11:40     ` Dan Cross
2023-03-12 16:40       ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-13  3:25       ` John Cowan
2023-03-13 10:40         ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2023-03-13 12:19           ` Dan Cross
2023-03-13 12:43             ` [TUHS] [TUHS]: C dialects (was: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary) Alejandro Colomar
2023-03-13 12:46               ` [TUHS] " Dan Cross
2023-03-13 16:00               ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-13 19:00                 ` Clem Cole
2023-03-13 19:09                   ` Larry McVoy
2023-03-13 19:17                   ` Steve Nickolas
2023-03-13 20:26                     ` Dan Cross
2023-03-13 22:25                       ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2023-03-13 19:24                   ` [TUHS] Re: [TUHS]: C dialects Luther Johnson
2023-03-13 19:38                     ` Luther Johnson
2023-03-14 19:48                     ` John Cowan
2023-03-14 19:56                       ` Joseph Holsten
2023-03-14 20:01                       ` Luther Johnson
2023-03-13 20:48                   ` [TUHS] Re: [TUHS]: C dialects (was: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary) Paul Winalski
2023-03-13 20:56                     ` Bakul Shah
2023-03-14  1:06                     ` Larry McVoy
2023-03-13 21:00                   ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-13 21:07                     ` Bakul Shah
2023-03-13 21:14                       ` Dan Cross
2023-03-13 22:15                         ` Dave Horsfall
2023-03-13 22:47                           ` Dave Horsfall
2023-03-14  0:23                             ` Dan Cross
2023-03-14  0:21                           ` Dan Cross
2023-03-14 13:52                             ` Chet Ramey
2023-03-14  1:27                         ` Bakul Shah
2023-03-13 21:28                       ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-14 10:04                       ` [TUHS] C dialects Ralph Corderoy
2023-03-14 20:02                         ` [TUHS] " John Cowan
2023-03-14 21:34                           ` Thomas Paulsen
2023-03-14  0:38                     ` [TUHS] Re: [TUHS]: C dialects (was: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary) John Cowan
2023-03-14  2:49                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-03-14  3:06                   ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-03-15  3:59 Noel Chiappa
2023-03-15  4:33 ` John Cowan
2023-03-16 22:50 ` Bakul Shah

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