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From: Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at>
To: Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] off-topic list
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 13:45:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1806251309390.916@grey.csi.cam.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180624131458.6E96518C082@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
>
> It's perhaps worth noting that today's DNS is somewhat different from the
> original; some fairly substantial changes were made early on (although maybe
> it was just in the security, I don't quite recall).

The key early changes were described in RFC 973 (1986): bigger TTLs,
MX records, CNAME and wildcard clarifications.

Next, I think, was NOTIFY / IXFR / UPDATE in 1996/7 which made the whole
system (potentially) a lot more dynamic.

RFC 2181 (also 1997) is important because it includes the standardized
pre-DNSSEC answer to the 1990s cache poisoning attacks found by Bellovin
and others. (Though I think a lot of this was put in place well before the
RFC was published.) This greatly restricted the gossip protocol aspect of
the DNS (records in the additional section).

There was a lot of churn related to IPv6 easy renumbering, which has all
been thrown away apart from DNAME.

There was also a lot of churn around DNSSEC, going right back into the
1990s, which finally settled on what we have now by about 2008. Along the
way they discovered a lot more unclarified edge cases in things like
wildcards. DNSSEC turned the DNS into a somewhat half-arsed PKI. It could
also allow implementations to bring back gossip, though there are
performance and packet size constraints that make it tricky.

The half-arsedness of DNSSEC is mostly related to the administrative
aspects of registrations and transfers and so forth, which are frequently
not very confidence-inspiring. Some of this is due to the way EPP works
(and its predecessor the registry-registrar protocol), but it's mostly
because there's no standard interface between domain owners, DNS
operators, and registrars. (And registrars don't want one because it would
commoditize them. There's probably a David Clark-style Tussle in
Cyberspace case study in here somewhere.)

Tony.
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work to the benefit of all

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-06-25 13:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-24 13:14 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-25  1:38 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-06-25  1:46   ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-25 16:44     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-25 12:45 ` Tony Finch [this message]
2018-06-25 16:41 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-06-25 16:10 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-25 17:37 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-25 19:35   ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-25 20:09     ` Clem Cole
2018-06-25 20:47       ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-25 21:15         ` Clem Cole
2018-06-26  7:01           ` arnold
2018-06-26  8:57           ` Derek Fawcus
2018-06-26 11:29         ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-26 13:09       ` Tony Finch
2018-06-26 18:04         ` Warner Losh
2018-06-26 21:16           ` Clem Cole
2018-06-27 21:33             ` Michael Parson
2018-06-27 22:27               ` Clem cole
2018-06-28  5:57                 ` arnold
2018-06-28 18:36                   ` Michael Parson
2018-06-26 15:57       ` Michael Kjörling
2018-06-26 21:09         ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-26 21:18           ` Clem Cole
2018-06-26 23:45             ` George Michaelson
2018-06-25 20:15     ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-06-26  8:27       ` Tony Finch
2018-06-25 14:44 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-25 15:44 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-25 16:03   ` Paul Winalski
2018-06-25 17:22     ` Clem Cole
2018-06-24  3:08 Norman Wilson
2018-06-22 22:23 Doug McIlroy
2018-06-22 23:20 ` John P. Linderman
2018-06-23  0:22 ` Warren Toomey
2018-06-22  2:21 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-21 22:44 [TUHS] core Nelson H. F. Beebe
2018-06-21 23:07 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-21 23:47   ` [TUHS] off-topic list Warren Toomey
2018-06-22  1:11     ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-22  3:53     ` Robert Brockway
2018-06-22  4:18     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-06-22 11:44       ` Arthur Krewat
2018-06-22 14:28       ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-22 14:46         ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-22 14:54           ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-22 15:17             ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-22 17:27               ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-22 19:25                 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-22 21:04                   ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-23 14:49                     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-23 15:25                       ` Toby Thain
2018-06-23 18:49                       ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-23 21:05                         ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
2018-06-23 21:21                         ` Michael Parson
2018-06-23 23:31                           ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-23 23:36                             ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-23 23:37                               ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-24  0:20                                 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-25  2:53                           ` Dave Horsfall
2018-06-25  5:40                             ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-25  6:15                             ` arnold
2018-06-25  7:27                               ` Bakul Shah
2018-06-25 12:52                               ` Michael Parson
2018-06-25 13:41                                 ` arnold
2018-06-25 13:56                                   ` arnold
2018-06-25 13:59                               ` Adam Sampson
2018-06-25 15:05                               ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-26  9:05                               ` Derek Fawcus
2018-06-23 22:38                         ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-24  0:18                           ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-24 10:04                             ` Michael Kjörling
2018-06-25 16:10                               ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-25 18:48                                 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-25 14:18                             ` Clem Cole
2018-06-25 15:51                             ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-25 18:21                               ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-26 20:38                                 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-22 16:07             ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-22 16:36               ` Steve Johnson
2018-06-22 20:55               ` Bakul Shah
2018-06-22 14:52         ` Ralph Corderoy
2018-06-22 15:13           ` SPC
2018-06-22 16:45           ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-22 15:28         ` Clem Cole
2018-06-22 17:17         ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-22 18:00         ` Dan Cross
2018-06-22 17:29       ` Cág

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