From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b974c369 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 08:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0F1ADA187B; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 18:28:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05FD9E5C0; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 18:28:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CD3E39E5BE; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 18:27:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from ppsw-32.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-32.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.132]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0518C9E5BD for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 18:27:58 +1000 (AEST) X-Cam-AntiVirus: no malware found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://help.uis.cam.ac.uk/email-scanner-virus Received: from grey.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.57.57]:47175) by ppsw-32.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.138]:25) with esmtps (TLSv1:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) id 1fXjKI-000Ez1-36 (Exim 4.91) (return-path ); Tue, 26 Jun 2018 09:27:50 +0100 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 09:27:50 +0100 From: Tony Finch To: Lyndon Nerenberg In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20180625161016.C16BA18C082@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> <3950d997-d310-7cfc-30bf-237e9d872739@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (DEB 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [TUHS] off-topic list X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org, Grant Taylor Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > The Wikipedia article also indicates that PMDF became Sun Java System > > Messaging Server. Which seems to counter Clem's comment. > > Commercial PMDF was sold/maintained by Innosoft (Ned Freed, Chris Newman, ...) > Innosoft was bought up by Sun prior to its assimilation by the Oracle borg ... They are still active though I can't remember what their software is called these days. It has grown a lot of features, e.g. IMAP message store. According to the MMDF FAQ, MMDF was also the basis for PP, but my PP manual says MMDF was just the inspiration, and it suggests that Kille and his team rewrote it from scratch. PP was the UK Grey Book / X.400 mailer, and (according to its manual) its name definitely did not stand for Postman Pat. PP is still around as the (commercial) ISODE mail server. When I worked at Demon Internet in 1997-2000, they were using MMDF for their mail servers - I gather this came from their origins as a SCO consultancy. At Cambridge, our central email relay was named the "PP Switch" in about 1991 (IIRC) and it is still to this day called ppsw.cam.ac.uk. Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finch http://dotat.at/ Lundy, Fastnet, Irish Sea: Variable 3 or 4, occasionally east 5 in Lundy and Fastnet. Smooth or slight, occasionally moderate in southwest Fastnet. Fair. Good.