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From: Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] [SPAM] Re:  SCCS
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 14:44:45 +0100
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1909121417040.5352@grey.csi.cam.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190912043145.GA12480@mcvoy.com>

Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:

> If you have actual data that shows RCS to be faster I would like to
> see that.  RCS read the whole file.  It could have been faster, it could
> have put the offset into the file where the most recent version begain.
> But it didn't.  It read the entire file.

In RCS the most recent version of the file is near the start of the ,v
file after a list of revisions, so it doesn't have to read the deltas for
the common case of checking out the current version of a file. I think
there must be a similar optimization to copy the deltas without processing
them when committing a new revision. But yes, as soon as you get away from
working on the latest revision of the main branch, RCS becomes
quadratically slow.

A few years ago I converted a decades-old SCCS working tree to git.
Because there are very good tools for converting from CVS to git, I
decided to convert SCCS to RCS (which is mostly a trivial file-at-a-time
format conversion, in the absence of branches and tags) to CVS (which is
just moving the RCS files to the right place) to git.

The most annoying part of this was the accidentally quadratic process of
dealing with all the old revisions in RCS files. I could mostly avoid
slowness if I arranged never to check out old revisions, aiming to treat
RCS as append-only until the final cvs-fast-export stage. This kept things
acceptably fast (closer to linear in the size of the file rather than
quadratic) even for that one very large frequently updated file.

Detailed write-up at https://fanf.dreamwidth.org/105694.html
(I subsequently re-used a lot of the machinery for converting another
much smaller SCCS repository. It was a lot easier the second time!)

[ PS. https://accidentallyquadratic.tumblr.com is great ]

Tony.
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Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-09  6:25 [TUHS] PWB vs Unix/TS Warner Losh
2019-09-09  6:36 ` arnold
2019-09-10 15:16 ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11  0:28   ` Steve Johnson
2019-09-11  3:53   ` Warner Losh
2019-09-11 15:36     ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 16:55       ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses [was " Charles H Sauer
2019-09-12 19:31         ` Kevin Bowling
2019-09-12 20:59           ` Clem Cole
2019-09-12 21:09             ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses - Series/1 NUXI Ronald Natalie
2019-09-12 21:31             ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses [was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS Warner Losh
2019-09-12 22:30             ` jcs
2019-09-12 23:12               ` reed
2019-09-12 23:22                 ` jcs
2019-09-12 23:29               ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses Warren Toomey
2019-09-13  7:06                 ` arnold
2019-09-13  8:30                 ` SPC
2019-09-14 18:29                   ` Warner Losh
2019-09-12 21:29           ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses [was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS Charles H Sauer
2019-09-11 17:49       ` [TUHS] " Richard Salz
2019-09-11 17:52         ` ron
2019-09-11 21:44           ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 18:11       ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-11 18:18         ` Richard Salz
2019-09-11 18:54           ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-11 21:05             ` Steve Johnson
2019-09-11 21:34             ` Steve Johnson
2019-09-11 21:57             ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 22:50               ` Arthur Krewat
2019-09-11 21:59           ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 21:50         ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 22:49         ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-12  3:43           ` [TUHS] SCCS Larry McVoy
2019-09-12  4:20             ` George Michaelson
2019-09-12  4:31               ` [TUHS] [SPAM] SCCS Larry McVoy
2019-09-12 13:44                 ` Tony Finch [this message]
2019-09-13  4:11                   ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-13  5:54                     ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-13  8:00                       ` Peter Jeremy
2019-09-13 15:23                         ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-13 21:36                         ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-12  4:28             ` [TUHS] SCCS Jon Forrest
2019-09-12  4:33               ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-12  6:12                 ` William Corcoran
2019-09-12 14:35                   ` Clem Cole
2019-09-13  5:22                 ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-13  5:50                   ` Bakul Shah
2019-09-12 16:45               ` Eric Allman
2019-09-12 17:29                 ` Clem Cole
2019-09-12 17:47                   ` Warner Losh
2019-09-13  8:12                   ` emanuel stiebler
2019-09-13 21:11                     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-13 21:17                       ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-13 21:48                         ` Bakul Shah
2019-09-13 23:12                           ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-13 23:03                         ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-14  1:55                           ` [TUHS] [SPAM] SCCS Larry McVoy
2019-09-16 17:23                             ` [TUHS] SCCS Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-16 20:31                               ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-17 17:57                                 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-18  8:48                               ` Eric Allman
2019-09-18 17:33                                 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-12 20:07             ` Nemo
2019-09-11 16:05   ` [TUHS] PWB vs Unix/TS Paul Winalski
2019-09-11 17:14     ` ron
2019-09-14  0:44   ` [TUHS] a book (was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS) reed
2019-09-14  2:53     ` Warner Losh
2019-09-15  2:18       ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-15  2:39         ` Clem Cole
2019-09-15  3:24         ` Adam Thornton
2019-09-14 22:46     ` Clem cole
2019-09-15  0:58       ` Adam Thornton
2019-09-15  3:30         ` Eric Allman
2019-09-15  4:21           ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-15  5:17             ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-15 20:14               ` Clem Cole
2019-09-15 20:21                 ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-15 20:12           ` Clem Cole
2019-09-15 21:28             ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-15 23:27               ` Clem cole
2019-09-15 23:45                 ` Richard Salz
2019-09-15  7:43     ` Andy Kosela
2019-09-13 22:01 [TUHS] [SPAM] Re: SCCS Norman Wilson
2019-09-13 22:30 ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-16 10:59   ` Tony Finch
2019-09-16 12:11 ` Leah Neukirchen
2019-09-16 21:45   ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-16 22:21     ` George Michaelson

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