From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 10155 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2021 05:33:49 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 8 Feb 2021 05:33:49 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DBBE79C8FC; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 15:33:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340219BA66; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 15:33:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6E3799BA66; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 15:33:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minun.buric.co (minun.buric.co [51.15.8.196]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E629BA42 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 15:33:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minun.buric.co (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 62D1F35C0FF9; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 06:33:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minun.buric.co (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4851D35C03DE; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 00:33:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 00:33:16 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Nickolas X-X-Sender: mary@sd-119843.dedibox.fr To: "Erik E. Fair" In-Reply-To: <17353.1612761347@cesium.clock.org> Message-ID: References: , <10619.1491461840@cesium.clock.org> <17353.1612761347@cesium.clock.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (DEB 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [TUHS] Typing tutors X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Unix Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Sun, 7 Feb 2021, Erik E. Fair wrote: > The first Apple Desktop Bus (ADB) keyboard was for the Apple IIgs: > > https://deskthority.net/wiki/Apple_Desktop_Bus_Keyboard > > and that lead to the same keyboard layout for the Mac II ADB keyboards (the > Mac 128K, Fat Mac, and Mac Plus did not use ADB for their keyboards): > > https://deskthority.net/wiki/Apple_M0116 > > That was the last Apple keyboard with the Control and Escape keys in the > correct positions, particularly for those of us using Macs as terminals to > Unix systems. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Keyboard (a reasonably full history). I have an Apple Keyboard II, an M0487. The layout is kinda braindead, though good enough for its purpose, given that I only have the Mac it's connected to because I need a host for the //e card. I prefer the actual //e layout. That's pretty close to the M layout, but ~` is on the bottom about where Left Windows is on modern keyboards, and ESC, Ctrl and Caps Lock are where you guys would probably expect them. ;) But I don't really mind Ctrl in the corners. -uso.