From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 32427 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2021 14:18:39 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Apr 2021 14:18:39 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 677C49CA4A; Sat, 3 Apr 2021 00:18:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FCE9C641; Sat, 3 Apr 2021 00:17:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4E4EA9C641; Sat, 3 Apr 2021 00:17:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minun.buric.co (minun.buric.co [51.15.8.196]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81FF29C63F for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2021 00:17:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minun.buric.co (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4AA7735C0D03; Fri, 2 Apr 2021 16:17:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minun.buric.co (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0B535C082B for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2021 10:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 10:17:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Nickolas X-X-Sender: mary@sd-119843.dedibox.fr To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org In-Reply-To: <20210402140229.GD1202@naleco.com> Message-ID: References: <20210401145025.GA1202@naleco.com> <202104020700.13270EDK018774@freefriends.org> <202104021026.132AQhs5014565@freefriends.org> <20210402140229.GD1202@naleco.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (DEB 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [TUHS] Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Fri, 2 Apr 2021, Josh Good wrote: > On 2021 Apr 2, 04:26, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: >> Steve Nickolas wrote: >> >>> There's still a cloud over Caldera's release, because the current license >>> relies on assuming Caldera owned the copyright at the time (pretty sure >>> the courts said they didn't). >> >> The cat's been out of the bag since ~ 2002, almost 20 years. In effect, >> it's too late anyway. > > The source for ancient/research UNIX is out of the bag. An unclouded licence > to freely use it, that is quite another thing. If Caldera/TSG didn't own the > copyright for UNIX, and Novell did (and that has indeed been asserted by a > judge in court), then Caldera/TSG had no title to relicense that source. This was what I was pointing at, and why I used as many terms as I could to make it unambiguous what I meant. A license to use code copyrighted by Caldera is meaningless if the code is NOT copyrighted by Caldera, but by Novell (as has been established in a court of law). Sure, it's possible one could go for years or decades without being sued, but with what I intended to do with the code, unless there were an unclouded free/open license (anything from Toybox to MIT to 4BSD to LGPL to GPL3, I don't really care) it would legally be like painting a bullseye on myself. I think this is why, although some of the BSDs did reintegrate the 32V and V7 stuff, others stayed clear. There's enough of a cloud over the release that it's still not really safe. "It's out there" isn't good enough. SunOS 4 is "out there" - nobody in their right mind would integrate that into a freely available OS distro because Oracle would come down on them like a megaton of bricks! -uso.