From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 17095 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2022 09:16:22 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Feb 2022 09:16:22 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CF9469BC14; Fri, 4 Feb 2022 19:16:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C8A951B5; Fri, 4 Feb 2022 19:16:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4C2F4951B5; Fri, 4 Feb 2022 19:16:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minun.buric.co (minun.buric.co [51.15.8.196]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7E495192 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2022 19:16:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minun.buric.co (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 308E535C11FD; Fri, 4 Feb 2022 04:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minun.buric.co (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1638E35C083A; Fri, 4 Feb 2022 04:16:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 04:16:02 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Nickolas X-X-Sender: mary@sd-119843.dedibox.fr To: markus schnalke In-Reply-To: <1nFuCs-2RI-00@marmaro.de> Message-ID: References: <202202011537.211FbYSe017204@freefriends.org> <20220201155225.5A9541FB21@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <202202020747.2127lTTh005669@freefriends.org> <7C19F93B-4F21-4BB1-A064-0307D3568DB7@cfcl.com> <1nFWmo-1Gn-00@marmaro.de> <1nFuCs-2RI-00@marmaro.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (DEB 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [TUHS] more about Brian... X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Fri, 4 Feb 2022, markus schnalke wrote: > You have to consider that each language is a child of its time; > the culture of each programming language is shaped by the people > who use it, write libraries and books and teach others. > > If you would introduce the C language today for the first > time, it wouldn't become the same language that we like. Its > libraries and culture would be very different because today's > programmers are different. Likewise, would Go have been > introduced in older times, it probably would have evolved > differently. Probably true. > Thus, with liking the minimalist/powerful balance of C and the > style of how programs in C are written (because that C culture > has grown decades ago and is now also a part of the language) > you actually say that you like the old times better than the new > times. (I don't blame you for that.) Could be that I cut my teeth on an 8-bit computer and did a lot of work on 16-bit systems, so I'm used to working with limited RAM and CPU. > This all is much more about culture and what types of people > program and the reasons why they program and the kinds of > projects they do and the kinds of companies and their motivation > in programming and how all this shapes the culture of any > language ... than it is about specific languages itself, IMO. There is certainly truth to that. And even human languages tend to adapt in culture-specific ways ("two countries divided by a common language" being a common joke about the US versus the UK, for example). -uso.