From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, LOTS_OF_MONEY,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 62270572 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 575269C163; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 01:03:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4505693D74; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 01:02:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8C0E593D74; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 01:02:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: from nb3.reedmedia.net (nb3.reedmedia.net [71.19.148.35]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C390193D71 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 01:02:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from [47.185.49.132] (helo=reedmedia.net) by nb3.reedmedia.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iYWvj-00031E-6q for tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:02:35 +0000 Received: from reed@reedmedia.net by reedmedia.net with local (mailout 0.17) id 6997-1574521351; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 09:02:32 -0600 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 09:02:31 -0600 (CST) From: reed@reedmedia.net X-X-Sender: reed@t1.m.reedmedia.net To: "tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4B4A388452D2A7418879B110A352A8F4018878C992@EX-MB1.hq.computerhistory.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (NEB 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [TUHS] Western Electric "Research Unix" License Contacts X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Any more details about this? The Dec. 1973 agreement with Univ. of California is "solely for academic and educational purposes" and included "source program code". (Their initial installs were 4th edition.) The slightly revised Dec. 1974 agreement with Katholieke Universiteit is also solely for academic and educational purposes" with nominal service charge of $150. (This was signed in February 1975 a little before the 6th edition came out.) I read multiple times that the first "source" licensee may have been the Univ. of Illinois. But I also read they were the first "source" licensee for the "5th" edition so not any Unix source license in general. Was Univ. of Illinois the first source licensee regardless of the edition (so prior to Dec. 1973 / Jan. 1974)? Any docs/citations on this? https://web.archive.org/web/20160322042314/http://www.ece.ubc.ca/~gillies/mail/dbgillies_ken_thompson.txt suggests the agreement with Univ. of Illinois happened a few months before July 1975, so maybe it couldn't have been the first (since there are copies of agreements prior years with other schools) even though that says the first. The (Univ. of Illinois) Network UNIX RFC 681 is dated March 18, 1975 and NIC 32157 dated May 14, 1975. It references Fifth Edition and has: BELL'S POLICY IN THE PAST HAS BEEN TO LISCENSE THE SYSTEM TO UNIVERSITIES FOR A NOMINAL FEE, $150.00, AND UNFORTUNATELY FOR A COST OF $20,000.00 TO "NONUNIVERSITY" INSTITUTIONS. Since the NIC has later date that the RFC maybe this was updated later than the RFC date so the commercial cost is really about the 6th edition? Does anyone have a copy of the software agreement for a non-university, or without the "solely for academic" clause, or for $20,000 from early 1975 (or for 5th edition)? This 1983 Byte magazine article https://archive.org/stream/byte-magazine-1983-10/1983_10_BYTE_08-10_UNIX#page/n133/mode/2up says the 6th edition was first Unix to be sold to commercial firms. A company license was $20,000 and a educational license was $200. Anyone have a copy of any 6th edition license agreement? (The author of https://wiki.tuhs.org/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=publications:theses:gmp_thesis.pdf says has a copy signed May 12, 1977 but I couldn't get in contact with yet.) I understand the agreement for 7th Edition included a clause saying a course curriculum couldn't discuss or describe the code. (John Lions clause). Does anyone have a 7th edition license? (Educational or otherwise?) (Again the author of above thesis says has copy of a 7th edition education license signed Feb. 20, 1981.) Does anyone have Exhibit F -- the "32V Software Agreement" dated April 1, 1979 -- for the AT&T/USL vs. BSDI/Univ. of California Jun 1992 complaint (or Exhibit B to the DeFazio Affidavit)? (See 920724.complaint.txt and more details in 930107.amicus.txt and 930108.oppose.txt.) Or maybe the 1981 relicense? What does it mean about the often mentioned first commercial version from AT&T wasn't until System III (Unix Release 3.0) in 1982? This is confusing since documented references to commercial versions in early 1975. Is this about AT&T proper instead of Bell Labs? Or maybe about official commercial support? (RFC 681 which mentions the $20,000 non-university license fee also mentions RAND, Lincoln Laboratories, and Inco had Network UNIX source code, but unsure if that means that had the commercial license too. There are other commercial licenses long prior to System III, but maybe it is about professional support.)