From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BDDA24B9C for ; Mon, 20 May 2024 23:03:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE6543B68; Tue, 21 May 2024 07:03:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AD4743B17 for ; Tue, 21 May 2024 07:03:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: (qmail 65716 invoked from network); 20 May 2024 21:03:25 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; s=100ad664bba9d.k2405; bh=c+SDSanQBGuQM7yuxboew88kXstKBhB026Dn1Ohsthc=; b=XX+SRD4pC+rRlX81NRtrM/LC3LVgKbTy4iWYCC0eDkCRslXhWYucMFBMfg1A23pKKGaPNgKsNIW6i5XKn49K/Sb8WSB7D14ooYAou4QrJWVwxdwIJIVS9W+pcQ50N9jzpsTZXRvbOoWaoY1LvpPWefI1pzkN9rCN/o0mLgJqlT41Fuvk3SfjAPqO+rRRK18KJun6Ur/8CveSuJRphs0K4QoMsfVvlT5aMhXRgNrtwS4y3jHyGABcLtdpOe8EwKklpUqli0V1IA6TNUzb2wzTcE2slpwD58LjtK3W8DM3dn6F54KXp5LFu0IFLI1Yjtmml1e2DGxZ50AxD+dZfp+BgA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; s=100ad664bba9d.k2405; bh=c+SDSanQBGuQM7yuxboew88kXstKBhB026Dn1Ohsthc=; b=OeBPCE3wAFdJbM0rbaxOA8zjNhylZ0NOO7SgzrKgUujHltpQwVF7/r2WS8RQ5mhrckpcH7zkxXdIDRhqtLSEcyq0oBnHPHeAup/BEvBNC3JuWKuyp5fRcMQqAa+WXGzYVaDQFGkGP/jIFLVF8X29v8epgwuEDXWtE7GMsBijUHsBQjle54DwuVL/oi1Xf7npp5C98lYTw3kcS3dhHZgnDbulCvH9RgJqVKgpeHcPduKRZDHBtSd/aOvzf8Q+3fm4Zw5etHn5sAaBeLsX46E0ZoTh5OXT7McD8j+2Sjxuo4s/HUYH7ZVZthqZrhshFtkgWxde4/BqpuG1diQi3pDC7A== Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.3 ECDHE-RSA CHACHA20-POLY1305 AEAD) via TCP6; 20 May 2024 21:03:24 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3E4238B954DF; Mon, 20 May 2024 17:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ary.qy (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10C18B954C1; Mon, 20 May 2024 17:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: 20 May 2024 17:03:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Ben Kallus" X-X-Sender: johnl@ary.qy In-Reply-To: References: <20240520200226.80F428B9493A@ary.qy> <20240520201122.GC27662@mcvoy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Message-ID-Hash: EAESPPANVTWKESW236KLVRXEJUGOG45J X-Message-ID-Hash: EAESPPANVTWKESW236KLVRXEJUGOG45J X-MailFrom: johnl@taugh.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: OT: LangSec (Re: A fuzzy awk.) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: > What I meant was that the LangSec people reject the robustness > principle as it is commonly understood (i.e., make a "reasonable" > guess when receiving garbage), not necessarily that their view is > incompatible with Postel's original vision. This interpretation of the > principle is pretty widespread; take a look at the Nginx mailing list > if you have any doubt. I attribute this to the same phenomenon that > inverted the meaning of REST. Oh, OK, no disagreement there. I'm as tired as you are of people invoking Postel to excuse slovenly code. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly