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[99.139.148.170]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 8sm650148otq.18.2020.12.09.12.30.31 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 09 Dec 2020 12:30:32 -0800 (PST) To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org References: <20201209165854.GK52960@mit.edu> From: Will Senn Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 14:30:30 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------404556389E92FED86C163E11" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [TUHS] Were cron and at done at the same time? Or one before the other? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------404556389E92FED86C163E11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 12/9/20 1:58 PM, Dan Cross wrote: > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 12:07 PM Theodore Y. Ts'o > wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 10:40:19AM -0500, Clem Cole wrote: > > My point is that "intelligent design" doesn't necessarily guarantee > > goodness or for that matter,complete logical thinking. > > There are some really great quotes, mostly from Linus, but I saw at > least one from Larry McVoy, here, on the subject of "Linux is all > about evolution, not intelligent design" here: > > https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmdA5WkDNALetBn4iFeSepHjdLGJdxPBwZyY47ir1bZGAK/comp/evolution.html > > > One of the quotes from Linus that is most pertinent for TUHS from the > above: > >     > There was a overall architecture, from Dennis and Ken. > >     Ask them. I'll bet you five bucks they'll agree with me, not > with you. > > Ugh! Seriously, evolution vs design? Implying that software can result from stochastic processes (an oxymoron, if ever there was one), is unlikely. These are semantic gyrations. Unix, was designed... back of a napkin, maybe, but it didn't appear out of the primordial ooze. It came out of an ordered mind, was realized, was revised and revised again, but always guided by an ordered intellect. That said, the use of the word evolution to refer to the gradual change of something into something else over time (another semantic gyration) certainly applies and I might refer the casual reader to Ritchie's article of similar title, The Evolution of the UNIX Time-Sharing System, as a great example of this use. Other than this tenuous connection, I'd call this COFF material. Will --------------404556389E92FED86C163E11 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 12/9/20 1:58 PM, Dan Cross wrote:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 12:07 PM Theodore Y. Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 10:40:19AM -0500, Clem Cole wrote:
> My point is that "intelligent design" doesn't necessarily guarantee
> goodness or for that matter,complete logical thinking.

There are some really great quotes, mostly from Linus, but I saw at
least one from Larry McVoy, here, on the subject of "Linux is all
about evolution, not intelligent design" here:

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmdA5WkDNALetBn4iFeSepHjdLGJdxPBwZyY47ir1bZGAK/comp/evolution.html

One of the quotes from Linus that is most pertinent for TUHS from the
above:

    > There was a overall architecture, from Dennis and Ken.

    Ask them. I'll bet you five bucks they'll agree with me, not with you.

Ugh! Seriously, evolution vs design? Implying that software can result from stochastic processes (an oxymoron, if ever there was one), is unlikely. These are semantic gyrations. Unix, was designed... back of a napkin, maybe, but it didn't appear out of the primordial ooze. It came out of an ordered mind, was realized, was revised and revised again, but always guided by an ordered intellect. That said, the use of the word evolution to refer to the gradual change of something into something else over time (another semantic gyration) certainly applies and I might refer the casual reader to Ritchie's article of similar title, The Evolution of the UNIX Time-Sharing System, as a great example of this use. Other than this tenuous connection, I'd call this COFF material.

Will
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