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[107.10.247.26]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m20-20020aed27d4000000b003b6382f66b1sm2686682qtg.29.2023.01.27.06.08.15 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 27 Jan 2023 06:08:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2023 09:08:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.7.0 Content-Language: en-US To: Will Senn , tuhs@tuhs.org References: <20230125203805.4762218C083@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> <7w8rhpdczd.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <20230126105626.72CD922168@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <85d0ee98-3686-b305-49d7-536589b5d3db@e-bbes.com> <45987281-a06d-810e-9689-5a8ae2c63a63@gmail.com> From: Chet Ramey Organization: ITS, Case Western Reserve University In-Reply-To: <45987281-a06d-810e-9689-5a8ae2c63a63@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Good-1, source=Queried, refid=tid=0001.0A742F8D.63D3D1B4.0025, actions=tag X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=good-1, source=Fixed, refid=n/a, actions=tag X-Junkmail-Status: score=8/90, host=mpv-out-ksl-1.case.edu X-Junkmail-PrAS-Raw: score=8/90, refid=2.7.2:2023.1.24.173625:17:8.317, ip=, rules=__YOUTUBE_RCVD, DKIM_SIGNATURE, __X_GOOGLE_DKIM_SIGNATURE, __X_GM_MESSAGE_STATE, __X_GOOGLE_SMTP_SOURCE, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, __MSGID_HEX_844412, DATE_TZ_NA, __MIME_VERSION, __USER_AGENT, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT, __HAS_REPLYTO, __HAS_CC_HDR, __SUBJ_REPLY, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __MULTIPLE_RCPTS_TO_X2, __TO_NAME, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC, __HAS_REFERENCES, __REFERENCES, __HAS_FROM, FROM_EDU_TLD, __IN_REP_TO, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, CTE_7BIT, __REPLYTO_SAMEAS_FROM_ADDY, __REPLYTO_SAMEAS_FROM_ACC, __FROM_DOMAIN_IN_ANY_CC1, __RCPT_DOMAIN_NOT_TO, __REPLYTO_SAMEAS_FROM_DOMAIN, __DKIM_ALIGNS_1, __DKIM_ALIGNS_2, __FUR_HEADER, __ANY_URI, __URI_MAILTO, __URI_WITH_PATH, __URI_ENDS_IN_SLASH, __URI_NO_WWW, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, __URI_IN_BODY, __URI_NOT_IMG, __MAIL_CHAIN, __FORWARDED_MSG, [TRUNCATED], so=2010-03-03 19:42:08, dmn=2016-08-03-0138 Message-ID-Hash: 5YKKVMMYHSSHKY5SFCDVOKIOOQKMFPFC X-Message-ID-Hash: 5YKKVMMYHSSHKY5SFCDVOKIOOQKMFPFC X-MailFrom: chet.ramey@case.edu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Reply-To: chet.ramey@case.edu Subject: [TUHS] Re: Setting up an X Development Environment for Mac OS List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 1/26/23 11:07 PM, Will Senn wrote: > but I really don't know nothing about NeXT, it's boxes, or what I'm really > wondering about - its relationship with unix (although I'm pretty sure > there is one). I know that Sun was working with them on OpenStep and > OpenStep and the NeXT cube were predecessors to my favorite contemporary > system (my Mac), but that's about it. So, how does NeXT fit into the unix > world? And was it all that? I remember after talking to them that I really, > really wanted one... NeXTs were really nice boxes. The environment was basically Mach + 4.3BSD + Display Postscript + Objective C + the libraries and frameworks that became macOS Carbon and Cocoa + their GUI. I had one for a while, and wish I still did for old times' sake. NeXT was Steve Jobs's company, and Apple acquired them to make the NeXT OS the basis of MacOS X. That is a very interesting story itself. -- ``The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.'' - Chaucer ``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates Chet Ramey, UTech, CWRU chet@case.edu http://tiswww.cwru.edu/~chet/