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Ip=[14.136.113.162]; Helo=[exchange.superglobalmegacorp.local] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: HK2PR0201MB2162 Subject: Re: [TUHS] =?utf-8?b?UmV0cm9OZXTigKY=?= X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --_FC073C35-7B6F-4D81-9FDC-3E601CEEAF9F_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" That is the first version. It sent out full 1500 byte frames. Later versio= ns had corrected that. They were padded to all zeros, so they compress quit= e nicely. Sent from my Windows 10 phone From: Derek Fawcus Sent: Monday, 3 September 2018 06:45 To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Subject: Re: [TUHS] RetroNet=E2=80=A6 On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 12:11:17PM -0600, Grant Taylor via TUHS wrote: > But if you want to use=20 > RetroNet to play Doom across IPX with buddies across town, then you=20 > should be able to do so. Err - maybe not. I recall doing that once or twice on our office LAN at the time, it was very chatty - as I recall it sucked most of the available b/w. (Or maybe that was just 'cause it was using broadcast packets) DF --_FC073C35-7B6F-4D81-9FDC-3E601CEEAF9F_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

That is the first= version.=C2=A0 It sent out full 1500 byte frames. Later versions ha= d corrected that. They were padded to all zeros, so they compress quite nic= ely.

 

 

Sent from my Windows 10 phone

 

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From: Derek Fawcus
Sent: <= /b>Monday, 3 September 2018 06:45
To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] RetroNe= t=E2=80=A6

 

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 12:11:17PM -0600, Grant Taylor via TUHS wro= te:

> But if you want to use

> RetroNet to play Doom across IPX with buddies across town, then = you

> should be able to do so.

 

Err - maybe not.

 

I recall doing th= at once or twice on our office LAN at the time,

it = was very chatty - as I recall it sucked most of the available b/w.

 

(Or maybe that wa= s just 'cause it was using broadcast packets)

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DF

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