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X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0Xm2iG7lrVqHUrJcUUKzW2H0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 1/28/22 5:18 PM, Dan Cross wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 6:09 PM Will Senn wrote: > > I'm reading in, Kernighan & Plauger's 1981 edition of Software > Tools in Pascal and in the book, the author's mention Bill Joy's > Pascal and Andy Tanenbaum's as being rock solid. So, a few related > questions: > > 1. What edition of UNIX were they likely to be using? > > > I'm afraid I can't speak to your 2nd and 3rd questions, but I can > offer what I think is a reasonable guess about the first. > > One of the neat things about Unix and Unix-adjacent books of that era > is that very often the copyright page held some information about the > production of the book itself. I just so happened to have a copy of, > "Software Tools in Pascal" sitting on my desk, and it says, "This > books as set in Times Roman and Courier by the authors, using a > Mergenthaler Linotron 202 phototypesetter driven by a PDP-11/70 > running the Unix operating system." > > Given the PDP-11 and the date (1981) one may reasonably conclude that > it was running 7th Edition. I imagine the pascal was Joy's, from Berkeley. > >         - Dan C. > Great hint. 20 seconds after I hit send on the original email, I came across this: http://www.lysator.liu.se/c/bwk-on-pascal.html Where Brian Kernighan talks about the challenges they faced porting the ratfor examples into pascal. He explains that: The programs were first written in that dialect of Pascal supported by the Pascal interpreter pi provided by the University of California at Berkeley. The language is close to the nominal standard of Jensen and Wirth,(6 ) with good diagnostics and careful run-time checking. Since then, the programs have also been run, unchanged except for new libraries of primitives, on four other systems: an interpreter from the Free University of Amsterdam (hereinafter referred to as VU, for Vrije Universiteit), a VAX version of the Berkeley system (a true compiler), a compiler purveyed by Whitesmiths, Ltd., and UCSD Pascal on a Z80. All but the last of these Pascal systems are written in C. So, you were right about it being Joy's pi. Thanks, Will --------------0Xm2iG7lrVqHUrJcUUKzW2H0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 1/28/22 5:18 PM, Dan Cross wrote:
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 6:09 PM Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm reading in, Kernighan & Plauger's 1981 edition of Software Tools in Pascal and in the book, the author's mention Bill Joy's Pascal and Andy Tanenbaum's as being rock solid. So, a few related questions:

1. What edition of UNIX were they likely to be using?

I'm afraid I can't speak to your 2nd and 3rd questions, but I can offer what I think is a reasonable guess about the first.

One of the neat things about Unix and Unix-adjacent books of that era is that very often the copyright page held some information about the production of the book itself. I just so happened to have a copy of, "Software Tools in Pascal" sitting on my desk, and it says, "This books as set in Times Roman and Courier by the authors, using a Mergenthaler Linotron 202 phototypesetter driven by a PDP-11/70 running the Unix operating system."

Given the PDP-11 and the date (1981) one may reasonably conclude that it was running 7th Edition. I imagine the pascal was Joy's, from Berkeley.

        - Dan C.

Great hint. 20 seconds after I hit send on the original email, I came across this:
http://www.lysator.liu.se/c/bwk-on-pascal.html

Where Brian Kernighan talks about the challenges they faced porting the ratfor examples into pascal. He explains that:

The programs were first written in that dialect of Pascal supported by the Pascal interpreter pi provided by the University of California at Berkeley.  The language is close to the nominal standard of Jensen and Wirth,(6) with good diagnostics and careful run-time checking.  Since then, the programs have also been run, unchanged except for new libraries of primitives, on four other systems: an interpreter from the Free University of Amsterdam (hereinafter referred to as VU, for Vrije Universiteit), a VAX version of the Berkeley system (a true compiler), a compiler purveyed by Whitesmiths, Ltd., and UCSD Pascal on a Z80.  All but the last of these Pascal systems are written in C.
So, you were right about it being Joy's pi.

Thanks,

Will
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