From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 18360 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2022 21:35:11 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Feb 2022 21:35:11 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CCB5F9D6E9; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 07:35:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B309BDAE; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 07:34:57 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="P6yPBOpZ"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CD3299BDAE; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 07:34:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ot1-f44.google.com (mail-ot1-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 508ED9B95E for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 07:34:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ot1-f44.google.com with SMTP id l12-20020a0568302b0c00b005a4856ff4ceso9434950otv.13 for ; Tue, 01 Feb 2022 13:34:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=message-id:date:mime-version:user-agent:content-language:from :subject:to; bh=GXm3h1jqDkn55msLY7eceyGebnfiCt1MxBZNJH4GdfQ=; b=P6yPBOpZlvrfmxog0TuM4hxRCSJ1Da1RZPP/LDcYOp+zHmXEmlMzH6BTPDDXcrLNLr inC2i0jNS/JKGEtSbC8ZIE215Bqn0mw7NaH8gkEwlSJlQvp8eBr0nUijR4Phgn3e7pBR RgtLqXHLPfbYPQeQuULIj/ief6prb/l6mWIfdVODAyip4OWPQjBX+Kkecnf/ZcZuLHmB ljJniyNmX9JueHh+szYh8UWoC4sRvOs68VrMbA4k9AhMkA1wZu4W0lSigLtVn13OiOcc QNchYSdz0g1baHZfLlu7VSrCvO7dtj4U1BW2IBEdjqo1mTCeD3VVyDfstHWQ3svc/8d7 S1Uw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:mime-version:user-agent :content-language:from:subject:to; bh=GXm3h1jqDkn55msLY7eceyGebnfiCt1MxBZNJH4GdfQ=; b=SyS/TZCo9VLWlG+FcDsTJVHBHMoWwHKhw3wYF9fKLkHuMrMGaWluQB544eGKp85WI1 slajuZMfIsmF0ZvjgN+F6xfp5xGLSOrV21zA8VCG3piDR6pHcK2TU2N8/yZjb1lLfe1f vciYwZEN/1ii4AtJP7v0n1zgs/Uae1pbgUVj6vuAiuJnT6Ch9P1swJnxU18+pUT1dMjr qIzF/2pM8jYbo92FX3sDZ3PV52n9SwplcdiKVoG7x8y3S+SATkI7tOo5PbybxIUGOmZ4 Z8a7DJSJy6LtwQ8cbvrpcQvmyDokjMs0LJBJDvS3i7e/U+JLB8ZNGoWlvqqghPaVBehh kxwQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530GKzmybhUIjXMvrnE7fUBlIaDJMXoD+PNF0Q1RsQIin5xffqhs Oo9XSTV1tGZ+G/Xyc6IEW6NIEAPn+BM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwYCYE3efChSn4xgJqFTu70DPcUaxZnWjIvrDcrsS1eZlLG8QJJdUli5+zgHS0keannqa0zUA== X-Received: by 2002:a9d:69d1:: with SMTP id v17mr14735855oto.183.1643751295264; Tue, 01 Feb 2022 13:34:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.8.2.8] ([2.56.190.40]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i13sm17339027otl.46.2022.02.01.13.34.54 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 01 Feb 2022 13:34:54 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------VUnNy1tGa70J4Kf8ykKtsFjO" Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 15:34:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.5.1 Content-Language: en-US From: Will Senn To: TUHS main list Subject: [TUHS] BSD 4.1, 4.1x, Quasijarus, and 4.3x X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------VUnNy1tGa70J4Kf8ykKtsFjO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, I did my research on this, but it's still a bit fuzzy (why is it that people's memories from 40 years ago are so malleable?). 1. What are y'all's recollections regarding BSD 4.1's releases, vis a vis the VAX. In McKusick's piece, Twenty Years of Berkeley Unix, I get one perspective, and from Sokolov's Quasijarus project, I get quite another. In terms of popularity and in terms of stable performance, what say you? Was 4.1 that much better than 4BSD? Was 4.1as obsolete immediately as McKusick says? 4.1b sounds good with FFS, was it? 4.1c's the last pre 4.2 release, but it sounds like it was nearly a beta version of 4.2... 2. Sokolov implies that the CSRG mission started going off the rails with the 4.3/4.3BSD-Tahoe and it all went pear shaped with the 4.3-Reno release, and that Quasijarus puts the mission back on track, is that so? 3. I've gotten BSD 4.2 and BSD 4.3 releases built from tape and working very well. I just can't decide whether to go back to one of the 4.x releases (hence question 1), or go get Quasijarus0c - thoughts on why one might be more interesting than another? 4. Is Quasijarus0c end of the line for VAX 4.xBSD? Why does tuhs only have Quasijarus0 and 0a, was there something wrong with 0b and 0c? 5. Has anyone unearthed an original 4.1 tape, or is Haertel's reconstruction of the 1981 tape 1 release as close as it gets? Later, Will --------------VUnNy1tGa70J4Kf8ykKtsFjO Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All,

I did my research on this, but it's still a bit fuzzy (why is it that people's memories from 40 years ago are so malleable?).

1. What are y'all's recollections regarding BSD 4.1's releases, vis a vis the VAX. In McKusick's piece, Twenty Years of Berkeley Unix, I get one perspective, and from Sokolov's Quasijarus project, I get quite another. In terms of popularity and in terms of stable performance, what say you? Was 4.1 that much better than 4BSD? Was 4.1as obsolete immediately as McKusick says? 4.1b sounds good with FFS, was it? 4.1c's the last pre 4.2 release, but it sounds like it was nearly a beta version of 4.2...

2. Sokolov implies that the CSRG mission started going off the rails with the 4.3/4.3BSD-Tahoe and it all went pear shaped with the 4.3-Reno release, and that Quasijarus puts the mission back on track, is that so?

3. I've gotten BSD 4.2 and BSD 4.3 releases built from tape and working very well. I just can't decide whether to go back to one of the 4.x releases (hence question 1), or go get Quasijarus0c - thoughts on why one might be more interesting than another?

4. Is Quasijarus0c end of the line for VAX 4.xBSD? Why does tuhs only have Quasijarus0 and 0a, was there something wrong with 0b and 0c?

5. Has anyone unearthed an original 4.1 tape, or is Haertel's reconstruction of the 1981 tape 1 release as close as it gets?

Later,

Will
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