From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 16020 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2021 20:48:03 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Apr 2021 20:48:03 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 71F519CAFF; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 06:48:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB279C723; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 06:47:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 42E939C723; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 06:47:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail.kaybuena.com (rrcs-71-42-153-194.sw.biz.rr.com [71.42.153.194]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6B969C722 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 06:47:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from [192.168.147.6] (4dot2 [71.42.153.195]) by mail.kaybuena.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 136KlZVw3168673 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:47:35 -0500 To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org References: <12445917.1513.1617740812263.JavaMail.root@zimbraanteil> From: Charles H Sauer Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:47:35 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <12445917.1513.1617740812263.JavaMail.root@zimbraanteil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (mail.kaybuena.com [71.42.153.194]); Tue, 06 Apr 2021 15:47:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [TUHS] PC Unix (had been How to Kill a Technical Conference X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" To try to answer Josh's questions: - I used the machine from console, certainly pre-VGA, probably CGA - I don't recall anyone else using it directly - The primary purpose was uucp for mail and news, dialing into machines at UT-Austin - I can't imagine having anything on it besides what was needed for mail and news - my primary focus was AIX at the time, but hardware for AIX was scarce (https://notes.technologists.com/notes/2017/03/08/lets-start-at-the-very-beginning-801-romp-rtpc-aix-versions/) -- after I got an RT in my office, and, eventually, at home, the Xenix machine persisted for uucp, IIRC - my memory was that the AT & Xenix were ok for the intended purpose - I remember a friend questioning whether the AT was really adequate for 9600 baud uucp, but I don't recall having problems with that - it looks like someone kept it in place after I left IBM in 1989, since http://web.mit.edu/kolya/sipb/afs/root.afs/athena.mit.edu/reference/net-directory/maps/uucp.bak/u.usa.tx.4 lists it in 1991 Charlie On 4/6/2021 3:26 PM, Jim Capp wrote: > Josh, > > At the time (1982-83), Xenix was the only Unix available to me.  By > 1984, we upgraded to a full-fledged NCR 1632 system, with Unix SVR4. > > Installation was through a VGA console and after it was up and running, > you could add serial terminals to your heart's content. > > We mostly wrote our own software, but had productivity packages for word > processing, spreadsheets, and databases (non-SQL). > > Xenix was my first experience with *nix.  I "caught the bug" and have > been working with *nix ever since. > > Cheers, > > Jim > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Josh Good" > *To: *tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org > *Sent: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 4:11:19 PM > *Subject: *Re: [TUHS] PC Unix (had been How to Kill a Technical Conference > > On 2021 Apr  6, 12:32, Charles H Sauer wrote: > > For much of my last few years at IBM, my uucp machine, ibmchs, was an AT > > running Xenix, probably that version of Xenix. > > Hi. I'm curious about that Xenix vintage. How did you use that machine: > headless from a serial terminal?, or at the VGA console? Was it "single > user" or shared among several people? Did you run Xenix and only SCO > provided software, or did you had third party software in it? Were you > using it by choice as your favourite Unix, or merely because it was the > only Unix you could have? Did you like living with Xenix? Did it have > problems, o was it "setup and forget"? > > If you feel like sharing that experience, thank you very much. > > -- > Josh Good > -- voice: +1.512.784.7526 e-mail: sauer@technologists.com fax: +1.512.346.5240 Web: https://technologists.com/sauer/ Facebook/Google/Skype/Twitter: CharlesHSauer