From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id c7dd2e18 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 00:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D78B59BC1F; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 10:45:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C7F9BC15; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 10:44:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CA9A89BA32; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 10:44:52 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 10:44:51 AEST Received: from orthanc.ca (orthanc.ca [208.79.93.154]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE07B9B9AF for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 10:44:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from orthanc.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orthanc.ca (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 0318423d for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 17:38:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Lyndon Nerenberg to: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-reply-to: References: <20190915232524.9A5491570CE9@mail.bitblocks.com> <7F62BF6B-8FEA-4C43-9E35-05BDE9BF04EA@ccc.com> <20190916023738.F34E81570CE9@mail.bitblocks.com> Comments: In-reply-to Warner Losh message dated "Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:16:12 +0100." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <99833.1570581490.1@orthanc.ca> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 17:38:11 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [TUHS] INed/Rand Editor/Ned [was Re: My EuroBSDcon talk (preview for commentary) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Warner Losh writes: > Venix had vi. At least 2.0 pulled that in from Berkeley... But they built it with '#define SMALL' or whatever the #ifdef was for the 16-bit version. I was working at a court reporting company at the time, and we had just introduced the court reporters to UNIX for editing, proofing, and typesetting the transcripts. Within a few weeks they were blowing through the limits of the 16-bit-restricted Venix vi. I ended up bootlegging the vi source from a friend so we could compile an un- restricted address space binary for them to use. This same bunch of reporters, within a couple of months, were writing their own awk scripts to look for transcription errors, and their own troff macros to typeset the final product in client-specific formats. When I first arrived there they were using Convergent NGEN workstations to transcribe the tapes. In well under a year we had replaced those with a Convergent MiniFrame and moved the entire workflow over to vi/awk/troff spitting out Postscript, most of the tools for which the reporters wrote themselves. Today, when I listen to all our "technical support" people at work whine about how they can't log in to XXX (because they didn't run ssh-add), it sets my hair on fire. I would so love to put them in the Waybac Machine and let the old gang school them in "learn to do your fscking job!" Sorry, what were we talking about ... ? --lyndon