From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063FC2448C for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 07:18:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6EB43BF3; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 15:18:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6493443BF1 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 15:18:05 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=makerlisp.com; s=s1-ionos; t=1718860684; x=1719465484; i=luther.johnson@makerlisp.com; bh=/Cg0jkoTD5b1tI1gPx0HSBYlRnp831xav2uHdE4VQs0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:message-id: mime-version:reply-to:subject:to; b=g1W7iRSErpwdjyMjELujTki07dFtcz1U++dDL/hDoX0gRU40c3+zJ5AvGtpP84ch jSv/wXxs8RWSRLT9T1wiXsDJHB5zzbOJqH3+QvVrLycQTedIhhbt3Px5105TzYLkk Pkj0eJFZmIio013M/q4htRosvDcSgi+o8rvfhhOHDbWTvzfX7DcoSC7ZVajUM3qNt z7soXaN9NQFMH+XzRcVTEnu8Ot53JWnIXOmknL4Lhyk8iUyrltR5kuI5no85t3Koh y06QaMwU5ftNT/oXx5FmL4clbRqKEB83+xC+s3COudSWG9KAqUCfWdzD/+re9GmHE 9rOobo/nbvaUB0Lacg== X-UI-Sender-Class: 55c96926-9e95-11ee-ae09-1f7a4046a0f6 Received: from makerlispvps ([74.208.29.250]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus004 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MgwK1-1srpFB2WsP-00ps4w for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 07:18:04 +0200 Received: from [192.168.234.136] (unknown [172.56.209.233]) by makerlispvps (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2EB488C278 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 05:18:04 +0000 (UTC) To: tuhs@tuhs.org References: <87iky84c23.fsf@gmail.com> <20240617012531.GE12821@mcvoy.com> <0e6792ed-65b0-e2e1-8159-6426a7f15a8d@riddermarkfarm.ca> <202406200501.45K5118a028500@sdf.org> <5d991bcb-0bac-50f1-ba8e-4c9c561499c9@makerlisp.com> From: Luther Johnson Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 22:18:02 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5d991bcb-0bac-50f1-ba8e-4c9c561499c9@makerlisp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:GcgxVVVrD6j9KzmIY00nV+D/eXdvX5ONtgr3fuCIyuXXYjTEv+8 okFj9eBUhZgyHFWkSuI5h9Wmt+3JzngXp1b/9cA/TeUlfzInL85OWfDhoS9NeHYH3cfTnR6 QLHbiIxv2t+0L4/ztSh8sKoOOjujub3esbP7gqfAc2ahIBewUsy42uEt+ehkoFPfWfH2cPd bCFFqE/sWl+uc/KWXrFFA== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:XGurlWAw79U=;QC/nztJ9RGK9zh3BL7zgm+Qa24k 0k1kh543luIXyXv2ix0OatUJsppuDWYA/jh7bofR83FwetZBp9veSblPs4qL6KmIh+2vXZDU3 adiWgQsZUa9SJGC3xSTDKbOU1BQc+eHfbCJNaMMAEVuoZmh67RwZGfPmHs1Cn5M1/rM3oJXjw bZa8x0O2UpB60TS20yElDoskt0k72qdHb0ACxxtd0NxMnJKIhSK4Ux3tdxJWwHQIMhbqrgpB0 TMjHxz01qMf+Dbtie842y5PtZhoh6/8xNUpiaXS2ff0aUJ27rTHJlaILAWlXIlqOMKJI5uVs2 Vztg3rdx5F1ih1VP5SV9/rll0FclR1BIQhb+rsPOEHlUAIOWLYF+1yBTXbNWnG/qKAQw2RZ3c Z8yBM7LwfYR3yAkpxSzpIz/LQ7b7V2lyJf7PgX2HkKEsMEvMfsunF8svj8sH4DNuPwn8hleI5 nAslWkBDiTx+8ZVFkZ6j5WlxcNwC0IeY0DN73U1Q4NoUc/kim7e4sAa8VwWJe0yXUpfOPNuIj ejVNIN+0J41jHyKXEj0p9QEBauIWbA4puOR3g6iG0FxXKu7m8CgvKjaXkyIrKs+TT28/H51PV wodUC3WnEzHhzYJNmi/HLDcgfZl1Yw24IYpago4kpe5uwyNcmxUSnOfMiTCyvJrtwHE4qejXM WivQcMg/gQK3CVQj3ueZDE5RmQkl6zX5f/KyQWJ4AAwbkHbpnboRqmyLaAgrShloDrv9DwhvD fndK9MMUVFOCDuQJhx4eQcMbQDrhGL0YIIegsSADMyMcp2GClYfY/Q= Message-ID-Hash: BBMXQSTYL7KMGIXLZCE3POC3HDI6T5L7 X-Message-ID-Hash: BBMXQSTYL7KMGIXLZCE3POC3HDI6T5L7 X-MailFrom: luther.johnson@makerlisp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: That being said, I must confess there is a very smll number of tools I use, which I build from source, keep up with patches and updates for, etc. I don't have the same problems as a sysadmin for a large community using many open source projects, those issues are real but since I'm only supporting my opinionated self, I have the luxury of choosing software that meets my approval. On 06/19/2024 10:09 PM, Luther Johnson wrote: > I just avoid tools that build with CMake altogether, I look for > alternative tools. The tool has already told me, what I can expect from > a continued relationship, by its use of CMake ... > > On 06/19/2024 10:01 PM, Scot Jenkins via TUHS wrote: >> "Greg A. Woods" wrote: >> >>> I will not ever allow cmake to run, or even exist, on the machines I >>> control... >> I'm not a fan of cmake either. >> >> How do you deal with software that only builds with cmake (or meson, >> scons, ... whatever the developer decided to use as the build tool)? >> What alternatives exist short of reimplementing the build process in >> a standard makefile by hand, which is obviously very time consuming, >> error prone, and will probably break the next time you want to update >> a given package? >> >> If there is some great alternative, I would like to know about it. >> >> scot >> > >