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Ip=[14.136.113.162]; Helo=[exchange.superglobalmegacorp.local] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: PU1PR02MB2473 Subject: Re: [TUHS] =?utf-8?b?UmV0cm9OZXTigKY=?= X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org" Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --_C6BD8794-5F7F-494E-956D-103C31A25BCB_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Yes, I=E2=80=99m familiar with that write up=E2=80=A6. I wrote it! And yes, it's why I later grabbed a bunch of compression algorithms and wen= t with lzss as it compressed well, fast an ld was tiny compared to others..= . https://virtuallyfun.com/wordpress/2014/06/06/i-forget-what-i-was-looking-f= or/ I would highly recommend compressing the frames for sure. On high latency = links it sure helps too. =20 It's also why cisco had licensed LZS compression for their serial links. A= nd totally worth looking at. From: Jeffrey H. Johnson Sent: Monday, 3 September 2018 15:12 To: Derek Fawcus Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Subject: Re: [TUHS] RetroNet=E2=80=A6 Interestingly -=C2=A0 https://virtuallyfun.com/wordpress/2013/10/25/doom-ipx-revisited/=C2=A0has = a good writeup on the Doom IPX issue - it was a poor implementation sending= mainly empty frames. =C2=A0https://virtuallyfun.com/wordpress/2014/06/10/a= nnouncing-hecnetnt/=C2=A0shows how adding compression to a bridge is able t= o eliminate 80% of the traffic. Bring this back on topic, perhaps adding optional LZO compression, but enab= led by default, would be a good idea for RetroNet. --Jeff=C2=A0 On Sep 2, 2018, at 6:45 PM, Derek Fawcus = wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 12:11:17PM -0600, Grant Taylor via TUHS wrote: But if you want to use RetroNet to play Doom across IPX with buddies across= town, then you should be able to do so. Err - maybe not. I recall doing that once or twice on our office LAN at the time,=C2=A0it wa= s very chatty - as I recall it sucked most of the available b/w. (Or maybe that was just 'cause it was using broadcast packets) DF --_C6BD8794-5F7F-494E-956D-103C31A25BCB_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

Yes, I=E2=80=99m = familiar with that write up=E2=80=A6. I wrote it!

 

And yes, it's why I later grabbed a bunch of c= ompression algorithms and went with lzss as it compressed well, fast= an ld was tiny compared to others...

 

https://virtuallyfun.com/wordp= ress/2014/06/06/i-forget-what-i-was-looking-for/

 

I would highly recommend compre= ssing the frames for sure.=C2=A0 On high latency links it sure helps too.= =C2=A0

 

I= t's also why cisco had licensed LZS compression for their serial links.=C2= =A0 And totally worth looking at.

 =

From: Jeffre= y H. Johnson
Sent: Monday, 3 September 2018 15:12
To: <= /b>Derek Fawcus
= Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org=
Subject: Re: [TUHS] RetroNet=E2=80=A6

 

Interestingly - 

 

https://virtuallyfun.com/wordpress/2013/10/25/doom-ipx-revisited/<= /a> has a good writeup on the Doom IPX issue - it was a poor implement= ation sending mainly empty frames.  https://virtuallyfun.com/wordp= ress/2014/06/10/announcing-hecnetnt/ shows how adding compression = to a bridge is able to eliminate 80% of the traffic.

 

Bring this= back on topic, perhaps adding optional LZO compression, but enabled by def= ault, would be a good idea for RetroNet.

 

--Jeff 



On Sep 2, 2018, at 6:45 PM, Der= ek Fawcus <dfawcus+l= ists-tuhs@employees.org> wrote:

On Thu= , Aug 30, 2018 at 12:11:17PM -0600, Grant Taylor via TUHS wrote:

But if you want to use RetroNet to play Doom across IPX wi= th buddies across town, then you should be able to do so.


Err - maybe not.

I recall doing that once or twice on our of= fice LAN at the time, it was very chatty - as I recall it sucked most = of the available b/w.

(Or maybe that was just 'cause it was using br= oadcast packets)

DF

 

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