From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f4eca474 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 07:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 27230A23F1; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:19:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F46AA21EC; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:18:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 630A1A21EC; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 16:08:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: from tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net (tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net [45.33.28.24]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50460A1FBC for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 16:07:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from Contact-TNet-Consulting-Abuse-for-assistance by tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-3) with ESMTPSA id wA567tGK020645 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 00:07:56 -0600 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=tnetconsulting.net; s=2015; t=1541398076; bh=mNhcYwYnUyq3BHCmDjrYK+XirjtyVjQSW8mu1pZ12OM=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Disposition: Content-Language:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Date:From: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:MIME-Version:References:Reply-To: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Sender:Subject:To: User-Agent; b=OIQriVpzHD3yVW07QxP3La6LWOop93VND1lcAeGdKtJO9gQc2ska1fg4t9XF+mASL 2QPIP3oGBLDPZEz5q3SvAcjTIUEVG3IdcPa1TUuC7MzdkmcOCjqee66OV9FGxJTYJs q3eYQrUuCIlIQIiOcK6NWVnHFzDdNTikj1hAGw/4= To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org References: Organization: TNet Consulting Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 23:08:58 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms050300070403010708040907" Subject: Re: [TUHS] YP / NIS / NIS+ / LDAP X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Grant Taylor via TUHS Reply-To: Grant Taylor Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050300070403010708040907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/04/2018 08:16 PM, Robert Brockway wrote: > I used NIS a lot in the 90s and early 2000s.=C2=A0 I think it continues= to be=20 > underrated.=C2=A0 The main gripe people had was lack of security but if= all=20 > of the hosts were in the same security domain anyway it wouldn't matter= =2E I'd like to hear more about the security issues. Did NIS(+) ever encrypt it's communications? (I'm not counting things=20 like IPsec transport.) I'm fairly certain that it was possible to enumerate the directory or=20 otherwise scrape most (if not all) of it's contents. > Integrated very well with NFS on Solaris & Linux for me back in the day= =2E *nod* I was pleasantly surprised at how well Samba+Winbind integrated with=20 things. Groups and IDs from AD just showed up identical to local=20 groups. We didn't even need to worry about NetGroups. > NIS+ is awful.=C2=A0 Let us not speak of it again. Okay. Can I ask that you enlighten this grasshopper without saying it's name?=20 ():-) > I did a lot of LDAP around 2007-2010.=C2=A0 I got quite good at writing= =20 > filters as we were using for a lot more than juse user auth. Ya. The LDAP filters are why I tried to avoid just using LDAP against=20 AD. That and the fact that the Unix passwords were actually a separate=20 field that could have different values from what the Windows systems used= =2E > Most installations I'm seeing today auth to AD, which is of course now = > supported. I'm curious what "supported" actually means. I think there is=20 preconfigured LDAP against AD templates, and things like Samba+Winbind.=20 But all seem to be less native / seamless than NIS. > In my experience LDAP is preferred in a pure *nix environment these=20 > days. I've never played much with Kerberos. Does that mean that the authentication is also done across LDAP? I hope = that it's encrypted LDAP. > There is another option that is largely ignored... >=20 > Increasingly *nix systems are managed through orchestration tools like = > Puppet or Ansible.=C2=A0 One option is to build the user account detail= s from=20 > an AD or LDAP backend on the orchestration server and write it out=20 > locally on the *nix boxes.=C2=A0 The *nix boxes just auth locally but s= till=20 > gain the benefit of dynamically managed users.=C2=A0 There are advantag= es and=20 > disavantages of this outside the scope of this list. IMHO that is still local accounts and not centrally manged. It's just=20 automated deployment. Sort of like the difference of creating a file in = a directory with the GID bit set vs creating the file and then changing=20 the group after the fact. 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