From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 17663 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2022 02:44:08 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 21 Dec 2022 02:44:08 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4797441C67; Wed, 21 Dec 2022 12:44:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F9A841C54 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2022 12:43:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from makerlispvps ([74.208.29.250]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus004 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MwgBq-1owKa42fYA-00y6bF for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2022 03:43:50 +0100 Received: from [192.168.234.128] (unknown [172.58.89.173]) by makerlispvps (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F104988456 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2022 02:43:49 +0000 (UTC) To: tuhs@tuhs.org References: <20221220013323.GL4401@mcvoy.com> <4942C729-FCE2-4075-9B1B-08CB7FC33813@gmail.com> From: Luther Johnson Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 19:43:48 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6D2F005DA26CAAADADD2C5F1" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:FkLvvxxHLgBx2qvYNdcUKcNwB5GB7Hd8D3CGBWqCZDDHxSuTfaC KDPssxGyMseaiebG++fOJqj07k6KyFpmMnnoiBnfMQdHSrQBXG/CX0/t8UdZ3fxy4H8qAep xrV78SXxMmi13NZ/L1JwO+rFZI0aqvZFe8A8lQAixzrVSrRpLvjJGchrT2AvMNjiap21Imu mIFVqPsDyH6xstn1TRRzA== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:4HxSKUn/w0U=;Cu+xGpTRFHZFGDiFZFMCsOzCt5D XDQdag2sTwIX8GJoq06fyayhGmNXeSlqFO7/qZnbS0wG30t6eMC8yviIjl9iB2R8tBKNbHnx0 rkg7FHNxtVJx3BE3wtp14dbmKstj3SLWbYhoAuulsi2RPsyEyLQkS0fkhPypFywxzJENVTL4I DP72yELqvfkvFHwmSEGQgDWZL6OPGV3HrtrkT4ncNMaRwDPsirHqFqXol9apGMptd7C8Auiap Jd5jwEzAQ6d7oVlNSQ7QG3PfUPthHc7XtWKLLATkGje3BqKfu5hMxlwl49jvAjcxgXt4++TCl GLwqjv9zJJoq9NoQMXHR5Ldk2cB8l0X0XpjOAWnh51wSNKQjMa0w+TWdHSmz8/3H5N+8BZIba gROGO1HjdDlOWbCgVzBy+LldSNX4cDjw/gzHHQdwDri2zMd/CVBbaruSn8D/jaisP2FY1eE0b RPWVSm6vP71182GmwRhLm+H5YrvJ9UO3zmLv1FCeqdi+uTPBIL0bvVXobHwE/BrdeY2FeAyvw v0zI8zjdaw1t3730XUijIbiPx6N6f71xCGlThAYTqvDGxyGIBUffj58iGeRLfjN17wlagQgdw mr0cZMG65WzRovs467uO/N6/a+VTAn/zYJr4yWDGHWZ3z7IqFUz9233ngTxQAv0/0uCRG9b0J MZWt9SDpc8QNPPYCqymFS+jH+gDKFY2USuef0xUjjA== Message-ID-Hash: 676K3HE5L5GMBF3RITO5SU7TBDBYQOD4 X-Message-ID-Hash: 676K3HE5L5GMBF3RITO5SU7TBDBYQOD4 X-MailFrom: luther@makerlisp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: UNIX on (not quite bare) System/370 List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6D2F005DA26CAAADADD2C5F1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in the process of building a system like that for myself, but perhaps a little smaller - mine will be based on an embedded microprocessor I've developed (so much work still yet to do ! at least a year out). But are you familiar with the V7 port that Robert Nordier has done ? It's been mentioned here before: https://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/2007-October/004782.html Here is his web site: https://edu.anarcho-copy.org/UNIX/unix-version-7/x86-port/www.nordier.com/v7x86/ On 12/20/2022 08:35 AM, Adam Thornton wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 8:29 AM Andy Kosela > wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, Adam Thornton > wrote: > > I mean, just a Unix, without all the cruft of a modern Linux, > but which can actually take advantage of the resources of a > modern machine. I don't care about a desktop, or even a > graphical environment, I don't care about all the strange > syscalls that are there to support particular databases, I > don't care much about being a virtualization host. > > > But then...what would the purpose of such a system? ... > It appears to me there is really no need for such a modern > mini-Unix system outside of hard core O/S theorists community. > > > I'm not asking for a _practical_ Christmas gift, and certainly not one > that will help me at work. As you say: at work I've got Kubernetes. > I think it would be aesthetically pleasing and fun to use. 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