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* [TUHS] Alive?
@ 2022-03-28 21:03 Warren Toomey via TUHS
  2022-03-28 21:17 ` Hellwig Geisse
                   ` (5 more replies)
  0 siblings, 6 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Warren Toomey via TUHS @ 2022-03-28 21:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
quiet for a week :-)

Cheers, Warren

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* Re: [TUHS] Alive?
  2022-03-28 21:03 [TUHS] Alive? Warren Toomey via TUHS
@ 2022-03-28 21:17 ` Hellwig Geisse
  2022-03-28 21:21 ` Steve Nickolas
                   ` (4 subsequent siblings)
  5 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Hellwig Geisse @ 2022-03-28 21:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

Hi Warren,

On Di, 2022-03-29 at 07:03 +1000, Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote:
> Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
> quiet for a week :-)
> 

all is well here :-)

Best regards,
Hellwig

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* Re: [TUHS] Alive?
  2022-03-28 21:03 [TUHS] Alive? Warren Toomey via TUHS
  2022-03-28 21:17 ` Hellwig Geisse
@ 2022-03-28 21:21 ` Steve Nickolas
  2022-03-28 21:27 ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
                   ` (3 subsequent siblings)
  5 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Steve Nickolas @ 2022-03-28 21:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Warren Toomey via TUHS

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote:

> Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
> quiet for a week :-)
>
> Cheers, Warren
>

*pong*

-uso.

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* Re: [TUHS] Alive?
  2022-03-28 21:03 [TUHS] Alive? Warren Toomey via TUHS
  2022-03-28 21:17 ` Hellwig Geisse
  2022-03-28 21:21 ` Steve Nickolas
@ 2022-03-28 21:27 ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
  2022-03-28 21:29 ` Larry McVoy
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  5 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Charles H Sauer (he/him) @ 2022-03-28 21:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

received.

TUHS people must be too distracted by the OSI tangents at 
internet-history@elists.isoc.org

Charlie

On 3/28/2022 4:03 PM, Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote:
> Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
> quiet for a week :-)
> 
> Cheers, Warren

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* Re: [TUHS] Alive?
  2022-03-28 21:03 [TUHS] Alive? Warren Toomey via TUHS
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2022-03-28 21:27 ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
@ 2022-03-28 21:29 ` Larry McVoy
  2022-03-29  1:14   ` Chet Ramey
  2022-03-28 21:43 ` Dave Horsfall
  2022-03-28 22:24 ` Bakul Shah
  5 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread
From: Larry McVoy @ 2022-03-28 21:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Warren Toomey; +Cc: tuhs

Is it time for vi vs emacs or BSD license vs GPL wars?  Be careful what
you wish for :-)

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 07:03:56AM +1000, Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote:
> Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
> quiet for a week :-)
> 
> Cheers, Warren

-- 
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* Re: [TUHS] Alive?
  2022-03-28 21:03 [TUHS] Alive? Warren Toomey via TUHS
                   ` (3 preceding siblings ...)
  2022-03-28 21:29 ` Larry McVoy
@ 2022-03-28 21:43 ` Dave Horsfall
  2022-03-28 22:24 ` Bakul Shah
  5 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Dave Horsfall @ 2022-03-28 21:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Warren Toomey via TUHS

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote:

> Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been 
> pretty quiet for a week :-)

Just lurking (but saving all posts) as I pursue other interests; looking 
after my diabetes is somewhat high on the list...

-- Dave

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* Re: [TUHS] Alive?
  2022-03-28 21:03 [TUHS] Alive? Warren Toomey via TUHS
                   ` (4 preceding siblings ...)
  2022-03-28 21:43 ` Dave Horsfall
@ 2022-03-28 22:24 ` Bakul Shah
  2022-03-28 23:23   ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
  5 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread
From: Bakul Shah @ 2022-03-28 22:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Warren Toomey; +Cc: TUHS

On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Warren Toomey via TUHS <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
> 
> Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
> quiet for a week :-)
> 
> Cheers, Warren

My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all the mailing lists I am on and I am wondering why.

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* Re: [TUHS] Alive?
  2022-03-28 22:24 ` Bakul Shah
@ 2022-03-28 23:23   ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
  2022-03-28 23:29     ` Andrew Hume
                       ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey @ 2022-03-28 23:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bakul Shah; +Cc: TUHS

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On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 15:24:38 -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
> On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Warren Toomey via TUHS <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
>>
>> ???Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
>> quiet for a week :-)
>
> My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all
> the mailing lists I am on and I am wondering why.

Yes, I had noticed that too.  I had assumed a US holiday or some
such.  Was there one?

Greg
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* Re: [TUHS] Alive?
  2022-03-28 23:23   ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
@ 2022-03-28 23:29     ` Andrew Hume
  2022-03-28 23:56       ` George Michaelson
  2022-03-29  0:00     ` Bakul Shah
  2022-03-29  1:10     ` [TUHS] Alive? Steve Nickolas
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Hume @ 2022-03-28 23:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey; +Cc: TUHS, Bakul Shah

LA county had a day off from school: Cezar Chavez day!

> On Mar 28, 2022, at 4:23 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@lemis.com> wrote:
> 
> On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 15:24:38 -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
>> On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Warren Toomey via TUHS <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ???Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
>>> quiet for a week :-)
>> 
>> My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all
>> the mailing lists I am on and I am wondering why.
> 
> Yes, I had noticed that too.  I had assumed a US holiday or some
> such.  Was there one?
> 
> Greg
> --
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* Re: [TUHS] Alive?
  2022-03-28 23:29     ` Andrew Hume
@ 2022-03-28 23:56       ` George Michaelson
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: George Michaelson @ 2022-03-28 23:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Hume; +Cc: TUHS, Bakul Shah

If apple formed a union, would it be "united fruit" -that would seem
appropriate on Cezar Chavez day...

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 9:54 AM Andrew Hume <andrew@humeweb.com> wrote:
>
> LA county had a day off from school: Cezar Chavez day!
>
> > On Mar 28, 2022, at 4:23 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@lemis.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 15:24:38 -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
> >> On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Warren Toomey via TUHS <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ???Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
> >>> quiet for a week :-)
> >>
> >> My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all
> >> the mailing lists I am on and I am wondering why.
> >
> > Yes, I had noticed that too.  I had assumed a US holiday or some
> > such.  Was there one?
> >
> > Greg
> > --
> > Sent from my desktop computer.
> > Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key.
> > See complete headers for address and phone numbers.
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* Re: [TUHS] Alive?
  2022-03-28 23:23   ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
  2022-03-28 23:29     ` Andrew Hume
@ 2022-03-29  0:00     ` Bakul Shah
  2022-03-29  0:31       ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
  2022-03-29  0:31       ` [TUHS] Old screen editors Lawrence Stewart
  2022-03-29  1:10     ` [TUHS] Alive? Steve Nickolas
  2 siblings, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Bakul Shah @ 2022-03-29  0:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey; +Cc: TUHS



> On Mar 28, 2022, at 4:23 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@lemis.com> wrote:
> 
> On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 15:24:38 -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
>> On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Warren Toomey via TUHS <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ???Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
>>> quiet for a week :-)
>> 
>> My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all
>> the mailing lists I am on and I am wondering why.
> 
> Yes, I had noticed that too.  I had assumed a US holiday or some
> such.  Was there one?

It seems to be a longer term trend than a holiday or a month of
Ukraine war. May be people are moving to newer platforms (forums,
twitter, reddit, discord) or newer topics. 

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* Re: [TUHS] Alive?
  2022-03-29  0:00     ` Bakul Shah
@ 2022-03-29  0:31       ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
  2022-03-29  0:31       ` [TUHS] Old screen editors Lawrence Stewart
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey @ 2022-03-29  0:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bakul Shah; +Cc: TUHS

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On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 17:00:22 -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
>> On Mar 28, 2022, at 4:23 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@lemis.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 15:24:38 -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
>>> On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Warren Toomey via TUHS <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ???Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
>>>> quiet for a week :-)
>>>
>>> My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all
>>> the mailing lists I am on and I am wondering why.
>>
>> Yes, I had noticed that too.  I had assumed a US holiday or some
>> such.  Was there one?
>
> It seems to be a longer term trend than a holiday or a month of
> Ukraine war. May be people are moving to newer platforms (forums,
> twitter, reddit, discord) or newer topics.

I never cease to marvel at peoples' capacity for masochism.  But there
are other things too, like the daily FreeBSD commit mail, which also
seems to have dipped a few days ago.  And that's frequently an
indication of some more global holiday than Cesar Chavez.

But it's interesting to read about Cesar Chavez.  Thanks to whoever
mentioned it.

Greg
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* [TUHS] Old screen editors
  2022-03-29  0:00     ` Bakul Shah
  2022-03-29  0:31       ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
@ 2022-03-29  0:31       ` Lawrence Stewart
  2022-03-29  0:53         ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
                           ` (2 more replies)
  1 sibling, 3 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Lawrence Stewart @ 2022-03-29  0:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: TUHS

At the Stanford Information Systems Lab while I was there 1976-81, we had a series of PDP-11s. The first one I remember was an 11/34 running V6 and later V7.  It was later upgraded to, I think a /45 and finally a /70.

At first everyone used ed, then Prof. John Gill hacked it to add a command, I think ‘%’ that was the equivalent of .-10,.+10p which on our 9600 baud Hazeltine’s was a glimpse of the future.

At some point we got ex/vi, but before that we got the “Rand Editor” re, which was a perfectly
functional screen editor, if you squinted a bit.

Does anyone here know the place of re in the history?

Later, Gill went off for a sabbatical at Yorktown Heights and came back to complain about having
to use SOS on the mainframe.  He reported, however, that global search and replace was very fast.

-L

Also a few years later I got Dave Conroy’s version of microemacs.  I complained about the key bindings and he told me to use the “change configuration” command, or cc.


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* Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors
  2022-03-29  0:31       ` [TUHS] Old screen editors Lawrence Stewart
@ 2022-03-29  0:53         ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
  2022-03-29  8:29           ` Rob Pike
  2022-03-29  8:34           ` George Michaelson
  2022-03-29 12:45         ` Thomas Paulsen
  2022-03-30  8:37         ` Ralph Corderoy
  2 siblings, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Charles H Sauer (he/him) @ 2022-03-29  0:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

Aaah, just what we need, an editor discussion.

My first hands on experience was with PC/IX on an XT. ISC provided INed, 
which I was told was based on the Rand Editor. INed was a gentle 
transition from using XEDIT on VM/370, so I was comfortable with INed.

But one of my Unix mentors persuaded me to use vi, and that has been my 
preferred editor since roughly 1985, assuming you count Vim as vi, since 
I mostly use Vim on Linux, Windows and macOS, only occasionally using 
real vi.

Charlie

On 3/28/2022 7:31 PM, Lawrence Stewart wrote:
> At the Stanford Information Systems Lab while I was there 1976-81, we had a series of PDP-11s. The first one I remember was an 11/34 running V6 and later V7.  It was later upgraded to, I think a /45 and finally a /70.
> 
> At first everyone used ed, then Prof. John Gill hacked it to add a command, I think ‘%’ that was the equivalent of .-10,.+10p which on our 9600 baud Hazeltine’s was a glimpse of the future.
> 
> At some point we got ex/vi, but before that we got the “Rand Editor” re, which was a perfectly
> functional screen editor, if you squinted a bit.
> 
> Does anyone here know the place of re in the history?
> 
> Later, Gill went off for a sabbatical at Yorktown Heights and came back to complain about having
> to use SOS on the mainframe.  He reported, however, that global search and replace was very fast.
> 
> -L
> 
> Also a few years later I got Dave Conroy’s version of microemacs.  I complained about the key bindings and he told me to use the “change configuration” command, or cc.
> 

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* Re: [TUHS] Alive?
  2022-03-28 23:23   ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
  2022-03-28 23:29     ` Andrew Hume
  2022-03-29  0:00     ` Bakul Shah
@ 2022-03-29  1:10     ` Steve Nickolas
  2022-03-29  6:37       ` Henry Mensch
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread
From: Steve Nickolas @ 2022-03-29  1:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: TUHS

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:

> On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 15:24:38 -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
>> On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Warren Toomey via TUHS <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ???Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
>>> quiet for a week :-)
>>
>> My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all
>> the mailing lists I am on and I am wondering why.
>
> Yes, I had noticed that too.  I had assumed a US holiday or some
> such.  Was there one?
>
> Greg

Not that I'm aware of... just the clocks going forward.

-uso.

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* Re: [TUHS] Alive?
  2022-03-28 21:29 ` Larry McVoy
@ 2022-03-29  1:14   ` Chet Ramey
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Chet Ramey @ 2022-03-29  1:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Larry McVoy, Warren Toomey; +Cc: tuhs

On 3/28/22 5:29 PM, Larry McVoy wrote:
> Is it time for vi vs emacs or BSD license vs GPL wars?  Be careful what
> you wish for :-)

<let them fight.gif>


-- 
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		 ``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates
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* Re: [TUHS] Alive?
  2022-03-29  1:10     ` [TUHS] Alive? Steve Nickolas
@ 2022-03-29  6:37       ` Henry Mensch
  2022-03-29 20:46         ` Dave Horsfall
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread
From: Henry Mensch @ 2022-03-29  6:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Steve Nickolas, TUHS

in the US and the UK, on different weekends afaik.

- Henry Mensch

On March 28, 2022 21:21:12 Steve Nickolas <usotsuki@buric.co> wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 15:24:38 -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
>>> On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Warren Toomey via TUHS <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ???Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
>>>> quiet for a week :-)
>>>
>>> My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all
>>> the mailing lists I am on and I am wondering why.
>>
>> Yes, I had noticed that too.  I had assumed a US holiday or some
>> such.  Was there one?
>>
>> Greg
>
> Not that I'm aware of... just the clocks going forward.
>
> -uso.




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* Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors
  2022-03-29  0:53         ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
@ 2022-03-29  8:29           ` Rob Pike
  2022-03-29 13:24             ` Clem Cole
  2022-03-29  8:34           ` George Michaelson
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread
From: Rob Pike @ 2022-03-29  8:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Charles H Sauer (he/him); +Cc: TUHS main list

I used SOS a bit, but did anyone use Stopgap itself, or only its son?

-rob

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:55 AM Charles H Sauer (he/him)
<sauer@technologists.com> wrote:
>
> Aaah, just what we need, an editor discussion.
>
> My first hands on experience was with PC/IX on an XT. ISC provided INed,
> which I was told was based on the Rand Editor. INed was a gentle
> transition from using XEDIT on VM/370, so I was comfortable with INed.
>
> But one of my Unix mentors persuaded me to use vi, and that has been my
> preferred editor since roughly 1985, assuming you count Vim as vi, since
> I mostly use Vim on Linux, Windows and macOS, only occasionally using
> real vi.
>
> Charlie
>
> On 3/28/2022 7:31 PM, Lawrence Stewart wrote:
> > At the Stanford Information Systems Lab while I was there 1976-81, we had a series of PDP-11s. The first one I remember was an 11/34 running V6 and later V7.  It was later upgraded to, I think a /45 and finally a /70.
> >
> > At first everyone used ed, then Prof. John Gill hacked it to add a command, I think ‘%’ that was the equivalent of .-10,.+10p which on our 9600 baud Hazeltine’s was a glimpse of the future.
> >
> > At some point we got ex/vi, but before that we got the “Rand Editor” re, which was a perfectly
> > functional screen editor, if you squinted a bit.
> >
> > Does anyone here know the place of re in the history?
> >
> > Later, Gill went off for a sabbatical at Yorktown Heights and came back to complain about having
> > to use SOS on the mainframe.  He reported, however, that global search and replace was very fast.
> >
> > -L
> >
> > Also a few years later I got Dave Conroy’s version of microemacs.  I complained about the key bindings and he told me to use the “change configuration” command, or cc.
> >
>
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* Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors
  2022-03-29  0:53         ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
  2022-03-29  8:29           ` Rob Pike
@ 2022-03-29  8:34           ` George Michaelson
  2022-03-29  8:40             ` arnold
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread
From: George Michaelson @ 2022-03-29  8:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: TUHS main list

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One called ned? It did something unusual to handle > 80 long lines. I think
it came off a DECUS tape. I only lasted a week and went back to SOS.

Teco was painful. I felt I was being laughed at. I have the manual still
and ran a port on BSD for a while but I wound up laughing at myself.

G

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* Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors
  2022-03-29  8:34           ` George Michaelson
@ 2022-03-29  8:40             ` arnold
  2022-03-29 13:45               ` Clem Cole
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread
From: arnold @ 2022-03-29  8:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs, ggm

Did anyone within the Bell System ever use a screen editor called 'se'?
(NOT related to the Georgia Tech se editor [se-editor.org]).

I used this on a USG UNIX 4.0 system ~ 1982 when I did some contract
programming at Southern Bell.  I think it was originally written for
the Vax but it had been squeezed to run on a PDP-11/70 also.

I've mentioned this in the past, but it seems to been covered over
by the sands of time, and that nobody else ever used it.

Arnold

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* Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors
  2022-03-29  0:31       ` [TUHS] Old screen editors Lawrence Stewart
  2022-03-29  0:53         ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
@ 2022-03-29 12:45         ` Thomas Paulsen
  2022-03-29 13:26           ` arnold
  2022-03-30  8:37         ` Ralph Corderoy
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread
From: Thomas Paulsen @ 2022-03-29 12:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lawrence Stewart; +Cc: TUHS

Hi,

there are s variants of se out there. Only one known to me
git://github.com/screen-editor/se.git 
https://github.com/screen-editor/se




Von: Lawrence Stewart <stewart@serissa.com>
Datum: 29.03.2022 02:31:14
An: TUHS@tuhs.org
Betreff: [TUHS] Old screen editors

At the Stanford Information Systems Lab while I was there 1976-81, we had
a series of PDP-11s. The first one I remember was an 11/34 running V6 and
later V7.  It was later upgraded to, I think a /45 and finally a /70.

At first everyone used ed, then Prof. John Gill hacked it to add a command,
I think ‘%’ that was the equivalent of .-10,.+10p which on our 9600 baud
Hazeltine’s was a glimpse of the future.

At some point we got ex/vi, but before that we got the “Rand Editor” re,
which was a perfectly
functional screen editor, if you squinted a bit.

Does anyone here know the place of re in the history?

Later, Gill went off for a sabbatical at Yorktown Heights and came back to
complain about having
to use SOS on the mainframe.  He reported, however, that global search and
replace was very fast.

-L

Also a few years later I got Dave Conroy’s version of microemacs.  I complained
about the key bindings and he told me to use the “change configuration” command,
or cc.





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* Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors
  2022-03-29  8:29           ` Rob Pike
@ 2022-03-29 13:24             ` Clem Cole
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Clem Cole @ 2022-03-29 13:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Rob Pike; +Cc: TUHS main list

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On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 4:31 AM Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com> wrote:

> I used SOS a bit, but did anyone use Stopgap itself, or only its son?
>
I was going to ask the same question.

Funny, I still often (tend) to use line numbers to do multi-line operations
not marks - probably because SOS was one of the first editors I learned and
first I learned to use really well.

Now here is where my memory is hazy.  I do remember using SOS on the
PDP-10s which had mostly glass TTYs, but for some reason I have memories of
using it on an ASR-33 on the TSS/360 - which must be wrong.    I thinking,
there probably had to have been an IBM editor similar to it that I'm
confusing with the TOPS/TENEX.  I also have no memories of what editor we
used on the original VMS V1.0 machine -- it must have been a member of the
TECO family, although again I want to say we had something like SOS.

I do remember that learning ed(1) on UNIX was a piece of cake and
immediately loved regex for patterns.  I was still doing some PDP-10
hacking for the CS-Dept in those days, and bitching that I wanted ed(1) on
the 10s after I mastered it.

Clem

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* Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors
  2022-03-29 12:45         ` Thomas Paulsen
@ 2022-03-29 13:26           ` arnold
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: arnold @ 2022-03-29 13:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: thomas.paulsen, stewart; +Cc: TUHS

This is the Georgia Tech 'se' screen editor, originally written in
Ratfor as an extension of the Software Tool editor. It was ported to
Unix by Dan Forsyth and to termcap/terminfo by me.

Dan Cort brought it into the 21st century. It's not related to 's'
or any other previous screen editor.

Arnold

"Thomas Paulsen" <thomas.paulsen@firemail.de> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> there are s variants of se out there. Only one known to me
> git://github.com/screen-editor/se.git 
> https://github.com/screen-editor/se
>
>
>
>
> Von: Lawrence Stewart <stewart@serissa.com>
> Datum: 29.03.2022 02:31:14
> An: TUHS@tuhs.org
> Betreff: [TUHS] Old screen editors
>
> At the Stanford Information Systems Lab while I was there 1976-81, we had
> a series of PDP-11s. The first one I remember was an 11/34 running V6 and
> later V7.  It was later upgraded to, I think a /45 and finally a /70.
>
> At first everyone used ed, then Prof. John Gill hacked it to add a command,
> I think ‘%’ that was the equivalent of .-10,.+10p which on our 9600 baud
> Hazeltine’s was a glimpse of the future.
>
> At some point we got ex/vi, but before that we got the “Rand Editor” re,
> which was a perfectly
> functional screen editor, if you squinted a bit.
>
> Does anyone here know the place of re in the history?
>
> Later, Gill went off for a sabbatical at Yorktown Heights and came back to
> complain about having
> to use SOS on the mainframe.  He reported, however, that global search and
> replace was very fast.
>
> -L
>
> Also a few years later I got Dave Conroy’s version of microemacs.  I complained
> about the key bindings and he told me to use the “change configuration” command,
> or cc.
>
>
>
>

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* Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors
  2022-03-29  8:40             ` arnold
@ 2022-03-29 13:45               ` Clem Cole
  2022-03-29 14:31                 ` Andrew Hume
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread
From: Clem Cole @ 2022-03-29 13:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: arnold; +Cc: tuhs

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Arnold, I agree, I do remember seeing it on what I think was the PWB 4.0
tape.  IMHO: it was before cshell, termcap, vi et al was released inside of
the rest of the Bell System and there seemed to be sometimes "SW from BSD
be bad/crude" 'tude.  IIRC ber and mmp must have had it running on the
Marx's brothers systems in Whippany.  But he had vi, so I personally never
used it.

@Mary Ann - this would have been around the time you were in Columbus and
starting the terminfo work.  Do you have any memories?

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 5:29 AM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:

> Did anyone within the Bell System ever use a screen editor called 'se'?
> (NOT related to the Georgia Tech se editor [se-editor.org]).
>
> I used this on a USG UNIX 4.0 system ~ 1982 when I did some contract
> programming at Southern Bell.  I think it was originally written for
> the Vax but it had been squeezed to run on a PDP-11/70 also.
>
> I've mentioned this in the past, but it seems to been covered over
> by the sands of time, and that nobody else ever used it.
>
> Arnold
>

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* Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors
  2022-03-29 13:45               ` Clem Cole
@ 2022-03-29 14:31                 ` Andrew Hume
  2022-03-29 14:35                   ` arnold
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Hume @ 2022-03-29 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Clem Cole; +Cc: tuhs

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se?

this may be a consequence for using such a bland name for a screen editor,
but i wrote a screen editor called ’se’ in 1981-83, just after we had moved
from piscataway to murray hill.

it was part of an effort to do office automation style products for Unix,
and came in around the time Unix transitioned from System III through
System 4 through the early days of System V.

my se was not very good, but i did have denis ritchie as an early tester.

> On Mar 29, 2022, at 6:45 AM, Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
> 
> Arnold, I agree, I do remember seeing it on what I think was the PWB 4.0 tape.  IMHO: it was before cshell, termcap, vi et al was released inside of the rest of the Bell System and there seemed to be sometimes "SW from BSD be bad/crude" 'tude.  IIRC ber and mmp must have had it running on the Marx's brothers systems in Whippany.  But he had vi, so I personally never used it.
> 
> @Mary Ann - this would have been around the time you were in Columbus and starting the terminfo work.  Do you have any memories?
> 
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 5:29 AM <arnold@skeeve.com <mailto:arnold@skeeve.com>> wrote:
> Did anyone within the Bell System ever use a screen editor called 'se'?
> (NOT related to the Georgia Tech se editor [se-editor.org <http://se-editor.org/>]).
> 
> I used this on a USG UNIX 4.0 system ~ 1982 when I did some contract
> programming at Southern Bell.  I think it was originally written for
> the Vax but it had been squeezed to run on a PDP-11/70 also.
> 
> I've mentioned this in the past, but it seems to been covered over
> by the sands of time, and that nobody else ever used it.
> 
> Arnold


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* Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors
  2022-03-29 14:31                 ` Andrew Hume
@ 2022-03-29 14:35                   ` arnold
  2022-03-29 14:42                     ` Andrew Hume
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread
From: arnold @ 2022-03-29 14:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: clemc, andrew; +Cc: tuhs

Cool! I bet this was it! It was on a System 4 system.

The commands were entered at the top of the screen. I remember almost
nothing else about it.

Is there any chance you still have the source?

Thanks,

Arnold

Andrew Hume <andrew@humeweb.com> wrote:

> se?
>
> this may be a consequence for using such a bland name for a screen editor,
> but i wrote a screen editor called ’se’ in 1981-83, just after we had moved
> from piscataway to murray hill.
>
> it was part of an effort to do office automation style products for Unix,
> and came in around the time Unix transitioned from System III through
> System 4 through the early days of System V.
>
> my se was not very good, but i did have denis ritchie as an early tester.
>
> > On Mar 29, 2022, at 6:45 AM, Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Arnold, I agree, I do remember seeing it on what I think was the PWB 4.0 tape.  IMHO: it was before cshell, termcap, vi et al was released inside of the rest of the Bell System and there seemed to be sometimes "SW from BSD be bad/crude" 'tude.  IIRC ber and mmp must have had it running on the Marx's brothers systems in Whippany.  But he had vi, so I personally never used it.
> > 
> > @Mary Ann - this would have been around the time you were in Columbus and starting the terminfo work.  Do you have any memories?
> > 
> > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 5:29 AM <arnold@skeeve.com <mailto:arnold@skeeve.com>> wrote:
> > Did anyone within the Bell System ever use a screen editor called 'se'?
> > (NOT related to the Georgia Tech se editor [se-editor.org <http://se-editor.org/>]).
> > 
> > I used this on a USG UNIX 4.0 system ~ 1982 when I did some contract
> > programming at Southern Bell.  I think it was originally written for
> > the Vax but it had been squeezed to run on a PDP-11/70 also.
> > 
> > I've mentioned this in the past, but it seems to been covered over
> > by the sands of time, and that nobody else ever used it.
> > 
> > Arnold
>

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* Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors
  2022-03-29 14:35                   ` arnold
@ 2022-03-29 14:42                     ` Andrew Hume
  2022-03-30  0:59                       ` Mary Ann Horton
  2022-03-30  5:11                       ` arnold
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Hume @ 2022-03-29 14:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Aharon Robbins; +Cc: tuhs

alas, no.
it should have been on some official source tapes, tho.
it was part of some office automation set of software;
maybe that was mentioned in the tapes.

i too remember nothing about it. outside of doing it
because management wanted it, i never optionally used it.

> On Mar 29, 2022, at 7:35 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
> 
> Cool! I bet this was it! It was on a System 4 system.
> 
> The commands were entered at the top of the screen. I remember almost
> nothing else about it.
> 
> Is there any chance you still have the source?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Arnold
> 
> Andrew Hume <andrew@humeweb.com> wrote:
> 
>> se?
>> 
>> this may be a consequence for using such a bland name for a screen editor,
>> but i wrote a screen editor called ’se’ in 1981-83, just after we had moved
>> from piscataway to murray hill.
>> 
>> it was part of an effort to do office automation style products for Unix,
>> and came in around the time Unix transitioned from System III through
>> System 4 through the early days of System V.
>> 
>> my se was not very good, but i did have denis ritchie as an early tester.


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* Re: [TUHS] Alive?
  2022-03-29  6:37       ` Henry Mensch
@ 2022-03-29 20:46         ` Dave Horsfall
  2022-03-29 21:53           ` John Cowan
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread
From: Dave Horsfall @ 2022-03-29 20:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Henry Mensch wrote:

> in the US and the UK, on different weekends afaik.

Not to mention AU/NZ; countries have different rules (if they have DST at 
all); I'm always amused by people who think that their country's local 
customs (not just DST) are world-wide.

> - Henry Mensch
> 
> On March 28, 2022 21:21:12 Steve Nickolas <usotsuki@buric.co> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
> >
> >> On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 15:24:38 -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
> >>> On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Warren Toomey via TUHS <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ???Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
> >>>> quiet for a week :-)
> >>>
> >>> My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all
> >>> the mailing lists I am on and I am wondering why.
> >>
> >> Yes, I had noticed that too.  I had assumed a US holiday or some
> >> such.  Was there one?
> >>
> >> Greg
> >
> > Not that I'm aware of... just the clocks going forward.
> >
> > -uso.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

-- Dave

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* Re: [TUHS] Alive?
  2022-03-29 20:46         ` Dave Horsfall
@ 2022-03-29 21:53           ` John Cowan
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: John Cowan @ 2022-03-29 21:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Horsfall; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 4:46 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:


> I'm always amused by people who think that their country's local
> customs (not just DST) are world-wide.
>

THEODOTUS. Caesar: you are a stranger here, and not conversant with our
laws. The kings and queens of Egypt may not marry except with their own
royal blood. Ptolemy and Cleopatra are born king and consort just as they
are born brother and sister.BRITANNUS (shocked).
Caesar: this is not proper.

THEODOTUS (outraged).
How!

CAESAR (recovering his self-possession).
Pardon him. Theodotus: he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of
his tribe and island are the laws of nature.BRITANNUS. On the contrary,
Caesar, it is these Egyptians who are barbarians; and you do wrong to
encourage them. I say it is a scandal.

― George Bernard Shaw, Caesar and Cleopatra
<https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1689832>

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* Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors
  2022-03-29 14:42                     ` Andrew Hume
@ 2022-03-30  0:59                       ` Mary Ann Horton
  2022-03-30  5:11                       ` arnold
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Mary Ann Horton @ 2022-03-30  0:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

se(1) is in my UNIX 5.0 manual, which was the internal version of System 
V release 1. It makes sense that it would be the one Andrew wrote.

My recollection is that se was the result of Not Invented Here. There 
was lots of demand for vi in the internal USG version of UNIX, and it 
was present in exptools, but not the official distribution of UNIX. 
(Lots of demand for emacs, too, also in exptools.) Rather than adopt one 
of them, se was written. I think it appeared about UNIX 4.2.

My UNIX 5.0 manual also has vi(1). Once vi was installed, demand for se 
went away. I'm not sure when it was dropped, but it's not in my SVID.

     Mary Ann

On 3/29/22 07:42, Andrew Hume wrote:
> alas, no.
> it should have been on some official source tapes, tho.
> it was part of some office automation set of software;
> maybe that was mentioned in the tapes.
>
> i too remember nothing about it. outside of doing it
> because management wanted it, i never optionally used it.
>
>> On Mar 29, 2022, at 7:35 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
>>
>> Cool! I bet this was it! It was on a System 4 system.
>>
>> The commands were entered at the top of the screen. I remember almost
>> nothing else about it.
>>
>> Is there any chance you still have the source?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Arnold
>>
>> Andrew Hume <andrew@humeweb.com> wrote:
>>
>>> se?
>>>
>>> this may be a consequence for using such a bland name for a screen editor,
>>> but i wrote a screen editor called ’se’ in 1981-83, just after we had moved
>>> from piscataway to murray hill.
>>>
>>> it was part of an effort to do office automation style products for Unix,
>>> and came in around the time Unix transitioned from System III through
>>> System 4 through the early days of System V.
>>>
>>> my se was not very good, but i did have denis ritchie as an early tester.

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* Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors
  2022-03-29 14:42                     ` Andrew Hume
  2022-03-30  0:59                       ` Mary Ann Horton
@ 2022-03-30  5:11                       ` arnold
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: arnold @ 2022-03-30  5:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: arnold, andrew; +Cc: tuhs

So the question is, does anyone have a UNIX 4.0 source tape?

Otherwise, I think it probably really is lost in the sands
of time.

Thanks,

Arnold

Andrew Hume <andrew@humeweb.com> wrote:

> alas, no.
> it should have been on some official source tapes, tho.
> it was part of some office automation set of software;
> maybe that was mentioned in the tapes.
>
> i too remember nothing about it. outside of doing it
> because management wanted it, i never optionally used it.
>
> > On Mar 29, 2022, at 7:35 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
> > 
> > Cool! I bet this was it! It was on a System 4 system.
> > 
> > The commands were entered at the top of the screen. I remember almost
> > nothing else about it.
> > 
> > Is there any chance you still have the source?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Arnold
> > 
> > Andrew Hume <andrew@humeweb.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> se?
> >> 
> >> this may be a consequence for using such a bland name for a screen editor,
> >> but i wrote a screen editor called ’se’ in 1981-83, just after we had moved
> >> from piscataway to murray hill.
> >> 
> >> it was part of an effort to do office automation style products for Unix,
> >> and came in around the time Unix transitioned from System III through
> >> System 4 through the early days of System V.
> >> 
> >> my se was not very good, but i did have denis ritchie as an early tester.
>

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* Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors
  2022-03-29  0:31       ` [TUHS] Old screen editors Lawrence Stewart
  2022-03-29  0:53         ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
  2022-03-29 12:45         ` Thomas Paulsen
@ 2022-03-30  8:37         ` Ralph Corderoy
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Ralph Corderoy @ 2022-03-30  8:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lawrence Stewart; +Cc: tuhs

Hi Lawrence,

> At some point we got ex/vi, but before that we got the “Rand Editor”
> re, which was a perfectly functional screen editor, if you squinted a
> bit.
>
> Does anyone here know the place of re in the history?

RAND's re from 1974 had become Ned, for New Editor by 1977 when Ned's
author, Walt Bilofsky, later founder of The Software Toolworks, wrote
RAND report R2176.  https://www.rand.org/pubs/reports/R2176.html

        Over the past few years Ned, a text editor utilizing the full
    capabilities of the CRT display, has been under development and in
    use at The Rand Corporation...

        The Ned editor runs on the PDP-11 series of computers under
    the UNIX operating system.  It uses a CRT display to provide a
    two-dimensional window into a text file...  ...rectangular portions of
    text may be opened, deleted, and moved about...  The set of operations
    may be expanded by user-provided or system-provided text-processing
    programs...  The screen may be divided into several editing windows...

Chapter 3 has the history of IDA-CRD → Yale Editor ‘E’ → RAND
editor ‘re’ → Ned.

-- 
Cheers, Ralph.

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* Re: [TUHS] Alive?
@ 2022-03-28 23:10 Noel Chiappa
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Noel Chiappa @ 2022-03-28 23:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: TUHS; +Cc: jnc

    > From: Bakul Shah

    > My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all the
    > mailing lists I am on and I am wondering why.

Ukraine? That's certainly been absorbing a lot of my attention (but it
seems like it's going to go on for quite a while now).

	Noel

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* Re: [TUHS] Alive?
@ 2022-03-28 21:05 Noel Chiappa
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Noel Chiappa @ 2022-03-28 21:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs; +Cc: jnc

    > From: Warren Toomey

    > Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been
    > pretty quiet for a week :-)

Thank goodness!

That's one way to improve the S/N ratio.

	Noel

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