From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 753929de for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 00:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C03DF9BCCD; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:53:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8702A9BC44; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=kilonet.net header.i=@kilonet.net header.b="lv4PeImp"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D4CC59BC44; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:53:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from p3plsmtpa06-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.109]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65FC59BC43 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:53:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from medusa.kilonet.net ([72.69.11.12]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPA id fDEXhkoPVnNttfDEXhNOsd; Sun, 23 Jun 2019 17:53:22 -0700 Received: from [199.89.231.101] (ender.kilonet.net [199.89.231.101]) by medusa.kilonet.net (8.14.8/8.15.1) with ESMTP id x5O0rLkB028018 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2019 20:53:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kilonet.net; s=default; t=1561337601; bh=M3rfZ44rY9Fhkkvy8eiasT5n4OBjuedz2mm9GoWOsWM=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=lv4PeImprNxuLIk6eZjY30H/7MS4fboMSqol/sCG2u5jQ15kaHigs6/ROZQhIg4Oh ki3AQZP2dhM0PaB4pr8nvtJnbaMRSloC53VgAJGx+nWN3IxwG/Cal7Xh38G3EIy/L+ xvMm9HJXQjt/J7wGjdzGqgX2Utcap8MhDcVTMe6g= To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org References: <92db46d5-d821-a792-7753-dfc5f2898cbf@mhorton.net> From: Arthur Krewat Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 20:53:19 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <92db46d5-d821-a792-7753-dfc5f2898cbf@mhorton.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfFNLNeI/RMqv7iHZw98U+d6snuRx7Jgcjw3lsXIPCmZ4LutudQ0wUhv09KBJaKGltoXjup0Ywzf1GO1YSaJrCt341zelPb720iQ8O1BfAzvgCjqB2j/2 D38CjaoldhcqBuXkcNXl+VCoXcSdQvVdJy8BlEuHAaoO8HH4ezLWed4P Subject: Re: [TUHS] Floppy to modern files for Usenet maps X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Both the AT&T and the USB cable will be "DTE" (Data Terminal Equipment - ala terminal) vs. "DCE" (Data Communication Equipment - ala modem) - you'll need a null-modem cable to correct that mismatch. Basically, if not using hardware handshake, swap pin 2 and 3. ;) On 6/23/2019 8:35 PM, Mary Ann Horton Gmail wrote: > These are great ideas. I can easily get USB-to-serial (and even > USB-to-parallel) cables online that will fit the PC/XT compatible > DB-25 plugs on the back of the PC.  I'll have to figure out how to > fiddle with the baud rates and such. > > I solved the GRF file puzzle.  It turns out it's a text file - a > Usenet article. And the same article is in the Google archive. > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/group$3Anet.news.map$20philabs!dal/net.news.map/lhqyD7MOFe8/v0CQFMZyGboJ > > > There is a cutoff notice at the end, both on the Usenet article and on > the floppy file, but that may be intentional.  I'll have some fiddling > to do. > >     Mary Ann > > On 6/23/19 5:02 PM, Grant Taylor via TUHS wrote: >> On 6/23/19 5:52 PM, Arthur Krewat wrote: >>> Does the AT&T have a serial port? >>> >>> Kermit would be the way I'd go, but since you say you have nothing >>> with serial ports, that could be a problem. A cheap usb-to-serial >>> port might be in order. Then you can run Kermit 95 on a Windows 7 or >>> earlier machine. (might work on later OS's too, but it's not supported) >>> >>> The flip side is how to get Kermit onto the DOS machine. >> >> Does Kermit have an option like INTERLNK & INTERSVR have where you >> can run a "copy COM1 INTERxxx.EXE" to push the software across the >> serial port? >> >> I wonder what the requirements are for INTERLNK & INTERSVR. I don't >> know if they would go back to (MS-)DOS 2.11 or not. >> >>> I used a floppy recovery service a while back to read my old >>> Commodore 64/PET disks - he was relatively inexpensive, and very >>> responsive. >>> >>> http://retrofloppy.com/ >> >> If the machine is able to read the files without error, then a >> recovery service might not be necessary.  IMHO it's a question of >> getting one or more copies onto something else so that the existing >> floppy isn't the only copy. >> >> >> >