From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 17416 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2021 19:35:13 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 27 Jan 2021 19:35:13 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 755439B7AE; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 05:35:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C7A9B720; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 05:34:44 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="Tn4ZNL4I"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E6F3B9B720; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 05:34:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f45.google.com (mail-qv1-f45.google.com [209.85.219.45]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02C1D9B715 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 05:34:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f45.google.com with SMTP id es14so1657128qvb.3 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:34:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to; bh=TaZTMcC4PaH+py71uZ7FVwklFg3CekbXQw3s3mQ6IZ4=; b=Tn4ZNL4Idi/JNWrFQZPQ058NegOgeU80f7CTlSptug+jEcej/e1Y0O591jyNxb9uni +NU1ld9hnnMik3E978+wX9K9yzpHDit4BNJk+yMbctjHlV40pgnVainoOnELx3ZR6YX7 dqY4H7i7kaPWK4I3nR3D+LkVYYcDxeK1tVJWhlK1ncAZvxpFXQPZr45DkGVzqMK6wOB2 7Ngm0zScf72lidC72JLtxZ3gS1/cqc6d1qYjTQNcBgjNMuMDPQ5EuVyjXjW9XeD1AApE ZY0TCgxJexhntFPoAYWshFnpwx1yC/5Dxbp+wvQxqKsD9ui9G+ufyJ7OYm8qwu+IQ1AE JjSQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=TaZTMcC4PaH+py71uZ7FVwklFg3CekbXQw3s3mQ6IZ4=; b=J/V+/HSrL8NdqSSctRs+FIqtDZZ2qQVf5Sj30xUvAYyE6O2ALZBek/UZcCeHPnKggH igxXpCVd0/d9GkcE6NCcLITajIBIkQ1gR6ql3rhtjg7Sm0FQCJ4nMUwRMFrPHGZLeJ+E UFkIMMMnfmd/MCDn7ZqxHUWkqkai/0AthtSEjr3PuArDaMLsgtKD3kk1JZ725DE7EfAk wI81BGTnB9oMIuxfYxWqttFkg7Mlv6HMKpuSaafjyWTN6F7WXrB0dX5E+t0O7d83F7YS xXwUPTJHrfCBAUrc39PUD/hqiYEHfqhPtNzOiDekVHpB9IKJRGKuA2J1MSpHD5AloE5V hVIA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532MCgqjlIVHzQITsQ1DR1Qt8xxcpSV+ySeF3FBgu3QWyUHozwKt n82F9+kt4sQl+E1cD0xWUEGyxn5vizlqzQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzy0tJLZjCuBVPuPGsNbvj5m/tkDIL4FUV/L8iocSDq2A4T6eRsgQmFFAroTL+MAkyDiwMtwA== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:f383:: with SMTP id i3mr12000576qvk.51.1611776078831; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:34:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.24] (198.27.14-65.ip.mltn.standardbroadband.ca. [198.27.14.65]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j7sm1786134qtb.87.2021.01.27.11.34.36 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:34:38 -0800 (PST) To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org References: <20210124183653.GD21030@mcvoy.com> <202101242045.10OKjDvA964774@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20210124211100.GI21030@mcvoy.com> <202101242114.10OLEYGk966708@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20210124212525.GJ21030@mcvoy.com> <202101242333.10ONXjcI974038@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <202101250021.10P0L3Z2976588@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <6557f782-ecb1-6476-1eda-e23f30f9bbea@bitsavers.org> From: Nemo Nusquam Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:34:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; SunOS sun4u; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2CF56346EE2769FFFAED0654" Subject: Re: [TUHS] tangential unix question: whatever happened to NeWS? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2CF56346EE2769FFFAED0654 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 01/25/21 21:45, John Conan wrote (in part): > I've been messing around with X.680, aka ASN/1. Its reputation for > horrible evilness, I find, primarily comes from the Packed Encoding > Rules and the interface with statically typed languages, both of which > require dealing with the schema language programmatically. I would beg to differ. Have you ever seen the ASN.1 in the various crypto standards? (This mess is independent of PER.) N. --------------2CF56346EE2769FFFAED0654 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 01/25/21 21:45, John Conan wrote (in part):
I've been messing around with X.680, aka ASN/1.  Its reputation for horrible evilness, I find, primarily comes from the Packed Encoding Rules and the interface with statically typed languages, both of which require dealing with the schema language programmatically.

I would beg to differ.  Have you ever seen the ASN.1 in the various crypto standards?  (This mess is independent of PER.)

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