From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 25070 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2020 20:43:23 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 18 Oct 2020 20:43:23 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5AD079D48D; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 06:43:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6EF9D465; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 06:42:24 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="ObyG8gw8"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3039F9D465; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 06:42:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pf1-f193.google.com (mail-pf1-f193.google.com [209.85.210.193]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 483FB9D464 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 06:42:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pf1-f193.google.com with SMTP id e15so1550234pfh.6 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 13:42:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=j7hfSv6kjmTodCh8ZLyy+Z7n2maNxeD3i73/eZiy0uI=; b=ObyG8gw8gmLNAQ0olJyvKLNc5NHJWP786jKwaMK1uWfocKRkMQ1NbG1hGaAOuwW2Kw VSkZI4xn4MnJ5cKNPzJ7y2wRhR3kBwAunwpYy5MtW/zehMykf7IdwJArhhfe5gp/itur eyvGyJUgDmOVa4sH1KXGWon/4BA8lmiA/PK+aLBejnBJzW4kcNtD4LtgUAmYNPTjYsec SFLdFWV3XrbTrHgCLEa5dVtPpOtV9avA8/SdpLxDbGkvdeDQEmKnAcVwsF1n8iJjrUGZ BFwopXYCTnqEjXWPhOnLbXd5nVmiFCJmvH7JLl9MX5AJzXzr8CWxofigF2uqXuj61Ylt lyvw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=j7hfSv6kjmTodCh8ZLyy+Z7n2maNxeD3i73/eZiy0uI=; b=jhEr75ksateQ1JZ4TfwzrY2e2UYS3/vgYxOZbdPjNYj5cZDOh5MKnBCYa2IBOWrcc0 gNAH0HCWKRJfwt0PAIUaRVEWKsELsdMq5oj7DYdKNqxPVIW+jh3h20U+NH7TnlniwWBw 5PCY8qpD9wKj1gim5giHbG8xBsgM+Nr8LAJA8ptPCxbkLsCpbnK4g0cl8poz+j3NXJ/9 aTRDrwIYXoLe7M46mqI899ttpkqmDqTLOZtO+YWaFaBxnPQWhx5v+9iiUrjTF7ZIZ9GS fzYDHfFklzaeyUQYCHZQIZZPcvnpdIzwwMTuCeIBg0Ik3qXOMf0IDKC/Q+lEyVsEtn21 BGDg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531dSdy2K0sys+Zot6cJv2752dgIXhSJAdX+HHv1cYgI8AmsFAWi r1nXeiBtVJFcg56coeYJWW5mv2aRx6qxag== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyZ77SDTEHu7lk4qg3soKa042n+2t5KKcOQTgjViw1cPCXzZVyEf5Ce5mwzzEWuxGOPlj5wYQ== X-Received: by 2002:a63:3fc7:: with SMTP id m190mr11427784pga.293.1603053738278; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 13:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (101-167-42-72.gci.net. [72.42.167.101]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id t15sm11848607pjq.3.2020.10.18.13.42.17 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 18 Oct 2020 13:42:17 -0700 (PDT) To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org References: <20201010232948.5F33818C0A6@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> From: Michael Huff Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 12:42:16 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.3.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [TUHS] Fwd: Choice of Unix for 11/03 and 11/23+ Systems X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 10/11/2020 4:53 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote: > On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, Paul Riley wrote: > >> Mini-Unix has removed 'raw' devices (not sure why, probably seemed >> un-needed), > > If it's relevant FreeBSD hasn't had raw devices for ages (not > needed?); I don't know about Penguin/OS because my Debian box is off > the air right now (and my Ubuntu box's video is beyond repair). > > -- Dave I suspect it's really irrelevant, but NetBSD (as of version 9) still uses raw devices; at least for fsck (I have no idea about anywhere else). I haven't tried; but it wouldn't surprise me to find that OpenBSD uses raw devices too.