From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 20667 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2021 10:05:59 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Feb 2021 10:05:59 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E60649503F; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 20:05:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB5494F19; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 20:04:50 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="WULFyLpV"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 95D3194F19; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 20:04:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pl1-f174.google.com (mail-pl1-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D72394F18 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 20:04:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pl1-f174.google.com with SMTP id d13so5231387plg.0 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 02:04:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=/Y4KyUEQyNgRTbbO7sshhUK7p9/FHzSpvhrJCDpbxJc=; b=WULFyLpViUJJUldjU0iz/6KT08LUTI+b7pvOjMBw9Hu7cIQh1xxxD/BvgV6+ARcE4W VcSmo/U/Py9TyYH+E+qXmounf6UvDoULZv24gbuyfvfISLw8JxKmol3H3zZcSTeGhY2/ rcWLIiargh6wXb438Kv0evxRbpn2zAzLrk27fCHLe7JBakVCSultTHoAcCaiory2nDp0 moaHGyEc/WfRmk4KM1haKkQyF8IC9RU+4BYkv2PPwAVhVMeigBs1uQQGLWFz6dPOffRt wsCPZb1r7IWPudIMI6g48pasGSMJveeZR/WbL7TZ/8H66WNHRCBI3zHR+Ij4FTWp5LAw eUkA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=/Y4KyUEQyNgRTbbO7sshhUK7p9/FHzSpvhrJCDpbxJc=; b=nCawhW82kyuavqc7y1jgs8kP1jtnpERkKxW+NPHL30hKFpxnPKYjIkFE13E9TqBbKz SRgWzypeB6GzPozH30B64AVyaNUFcSsibz9+TV7f8MNWTK1+h1ZFJ3oJgpCA2blG45n+ KwY+NE/udbiHsKvJOS53JyFKPMg/LqbIwSdq8iYfXHTnehAwICCVva0e0pUj4ggAWvTr n8n5+Zt0wPspEdW34OTu48Kj76l4AMwIGOi2vBHhmEALahOQl7h6D7wCpEGgsAXV/ojG be7jZH66DKbzmEfYN+hj9v/7XlvtoMQfelUJNSmlsSlYPJcUn1MerpKRH7JjBXjfJyN7 4K6g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532CTcuVChXepfFk2tv3i+M+fWqUqnubhe0gvDLBypGdd40pQno/ sHiO1uzS4vYsBAxk0kEBa+8NmaGsTKk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxRAJ5EuC2DnevOMoy1MbUX4bKV4EMZUnCvat3YXL6X+K9eHMbtZec4utgByMyDJ/jVgatL3w== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:5793:: with SMTP id g19mr3625788pji.32.1613469852027; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 02:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (122-58-252-110.jetstream.xtra.co.nz. [122.58.252.110]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id gb5sm2300917pjb.17.2021.02.16.02.04.09 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Feb 2021 02:04:11 -0800 (PST) To: Tom Ivar Helbekkmo , Jon Steinhart References: <202102151956.11FJuRIh3079869@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Wesley Parish Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 23:04:07 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [TUHS] Abstractions X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Now that is an interesting idea. Did he ever get around to developing it? Any documents? Any experimental results? (Mind you, he'd've run into CJ Date's reservations on the incompleteness of SQL as a language stuck between relational algebra and relational calculus ... :) ) Wesley Parish On 16/02/21 9:15 pm, Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS wrote: > Jon Steinhart writes: > >> So if y'all are up for it, I'd like to have a discussion on what >> abstractions would be appropriate in order to meet modern needs. Any >> takers? > A late friend of mine felt strongly that Unix needed an SQL interface to > the kernel. With all information and configuration in a well designed > schema, system administration could be greatly enhanced, he felt, and > could have standard interaction patterns across components -- instead of > all the quirky command line interfaces we have today, and their user > oriented output formats that you need to parse to use the data. > > sysctl done right, so to speak. > > -tih