From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 28934 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2022 23:57:14 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 21 Jun 2022 23:57:14 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD11407A5; Wed, 22 Jun 2022 09:57:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail.posixcafe.org (mail.posixcafe.org [45.76.19.58]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D874D40784 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2022 09:57:02 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=posixcafe.org; s=20200506; t=1655855821; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=DkJCU+0iMCoKfqm79SF6g56h16oCtsUpijqi979DaMw=; b=RNCd+b2/Y2lOwzcXcvKn+seIDC4gaT4OkDc6TzkUuAvpvYnOyga7nN47xqUzr8kIhVMNF9 cmC6uC0jM9N0Z00ItX0fGRZbbzbrNTxTmo9AX2SYQ/V0PFZTFrqZnI47uAlVHApOCK1fiS 4PQm/bUQCMk3QXTcm8joHcc9a36Rs+c= Received: from [192.168.168.200] (161-97-228-135.lpcnextlight.net [161.97.228.135]) by mail.posixcafe.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 96fa9900 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 18:57:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:56:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.8.1 Content-Language: en-US To: tuhs@tuhs.org References: From: Jacob Moody In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID-Hash: ICOT75CPJ7YVOM7KKIKE47ARELDRJQ6K X-Message-ID-Hash: ICOT75CPJ7YVOM7KKIKE47ARELDRJQ6K X-MailFrom: moody@posixcafe.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: forgotten versions List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 6/19/22 12:38, Dan Cross wrote: > On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 2:33 PM Theodore Ts'o wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 10:47:23AM -0400, Kenneth Goodwin wrote: >>> Just chiming in a bit.. >>> >>> Rob, it might be interesting to old geezers like me as well as newbies >>> entering the field to get a perspective on Plan 9 and its evolution. The >>> motivations behind it. What your group was trying to accomplish, the >>> approach, pitfalls and the entire decision making process as things went >>> along. Even things that went horribly wrong and what happened etc. >> >> I'll second that. I think it would be really helpful. >> >> There was a time when I was reviewing a paper which made a bunch of >> claims about what Plan 9 was trying to accomplish and in particular >> about what the ultimate design goals for a particular component of >> Plan 9. (I won't go into further details since as far as I know, that >> paper was never published.) >> >> In any case, since I wasn't familiar with the history of Plan 9 to >> evaluate these claims, with the permission of the PC chairs, I found >> someone who had been part of the Plan 9 team, and asked them to review >> certain passages for accuracy, and they said, "Uh, no.... that's >> totally not the case. They're completely wrong." >> >> So if someone were willing to create additional write ups about >> lessons learned, or if that's too much work, maybe someone could do >> some interview for a podcast or a vlog, that would be really >> excellent. > > Agreed. A retrospective would be a very welcome addition to the canon. > > - Dan C. > > (PS: I _had_ heard of the VAX effort before, but I don't think I'd known > quite how nascent it was before it was abandoned in favor of MIPS and > 68k.) Adding my vote in for getting some sort of retrospective. I recently stumbled across the existence of datakit when going through the plan9foundation source archives. Would be curious to hear more about its involvement with plan9.