From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F102CF97 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2024 17:08:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF76437AF; Wed, 2 Oct 2024 01:08:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: from vmail1.sentex.ca (vmail1.sentex.ca [64.7.153.19]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42F4C437A8; Wed, 2 Oct 2024 01:08:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: (Haraka outbound); Tue, 01 Oct 2024 11:08:07 -0400 Authentication-Results: vmail1.sentex.ca; auth=pass (plain) Received: from [10.0.1.25] ([206.210.117.153]) by vmail1.sentex.ca (Haraka/2.8.25) with ESMTPSA id D592681C-FC39-4486-B7EB-4E30F525A04A.1 envelope-from (authenticated bits=0) (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256); Tue, 01 Oct 2024 11:08:07 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2024 11:08:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 Content-Language: en-CA To: COFF References: <20240928165812.4uyturluj4dsuwef@illithid> <20240928180138.aygrwqdwrvq3n6xt@illithid> <202410011313.491DD4ac421643@freefriends.org> <20241001133231.GE13777@mcvoy.com> <202410011347.491DlAsJ423777@freefriends.org> <20241001140101.GG13777@mcvoy.com> <024bd803-2852-c0d0-5f15-30ec65c45cb4@makerlisp.com> From: Stuff Received In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Haraka-GeoIP: NA, CA, ON, Campbellville, 23km Message-ID-Hash: ZHHZJEIZXZEH3EU2YCD37ZP3X2K24HD4 X-Message-ID-Hash: ZHHZJEIZXZEH3EU2YCD37ZP3X2K24HD4 X-MailFrom: stuff@riddermarkfarm.ca X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Minimum Array Sizes in 16 bit C (was Maximum) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: [-->COFF] On 2024-10-01 10:56, Dan Cross wrote (in part): > I've found a grounding in mathematics useful for programming, but > beyond some knowledge of the physical constraints that the universe > places on us and a very healthy appreciation for the scientific > method, I'm having a hard time understanding how the hard sciences > would help out too much. Electrical engineering seems like it would be > more useful, than, say, chemistry or geology. I see this as related to the old question about whether it is easier to teach domain experts to program or teach programmers about the domain. (I worked for a company that wrote/sold scientific libraries for embedded systems.) We had a mixture but the former was often easier. S. > > I talk to a lot of academics, and I think they see the situation > differently than is presented here. In a nutshell, the way a lot of > them look at it, the amount of computer science in the world increases > constantly while the amount of time they have to teach that to > undergraduates remains fixed. As a result, they have to pick and > choose what they teach very, very carefully, balancing a number of > criteria as they do so. What this translates to in the real world > isn't that the bar is lowered, but that the bar is different. > > - Dan C.