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[64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Sun, 10 Nov 2019 00:07:09 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Junk X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|scj@yaccman.com X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Reaction-Spill: 4002447f6b5f0e4f_1573344429269_3989050049 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1573344429269:3915180666 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1573344429269 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a28.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a28.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14AA7A128D; Sat, 9 Nov 2019 16:07:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=yaccman.com; h=message-id :from:to:cc:in-reply-to:subject:date:content-type:mime-version; s=yaccman.com; bh=zyWlmXRXPf+LhI/8LVObGecdfZI=; b=V+9lIAT1G2DPm pUXqNTp4CKQAqtedIqnlOEKEDR949jLZ6IZaxqz1FRZmzl7FFPaamxTvWgJwU5tN OlVMdbC2naGyYLIGyPw8lu1Z41Z630YDJO9crr15UG+cA+uO2RYcl8XTp2ZvZvBh ETOP87ZHVgF387jXAUIq8PQ9XQ0tPQ= Received: from localhost (ip-66-33-200-4.dreamhost.com [66.33.200.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: scj@yaccman.com) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a28.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6975CA128F; Sat, 9 Nov 2019 16:07:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a28 From: "Steve Johnson" To: "Clem Cole" , "Mary Ann Horton" X-Mailer: Atmail 7.8.0.2 X-Originating-IP: 10.35.42.221 in-reply-to: Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2019 16:07:05 -0800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_ed50815c0e85671557c1412b370bb1e1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [TUHS] UNIX or unix X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --=_ed50815c0e85671557c1412b370bb1e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AI remember a story I heard second hand.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The Bell System h= ad so=0Amany acronyms that they published=C2=A0 yearly a small book with= all the=0Aacronyms in the Bell System.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Somebody (Ken?, Doug= ?) got a call one=0Ayear that they wanted to include UNIX in the book, s= o would we please=0Atell them what UNIX stood for.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The reply= was that UNIX was not an=0Aacronym.=C2=A0 So the caller said: "OK.=C2= =A0 We won't put it in the book..."=0A=0ASteve=0A=0A----- Original Messa= ge -----=0AFrom: "Clem Cole" =0ATo:"Mary Ann Horton" =0ACc:=0ASent:Sat, 9 Nov 2019 16:23:0= 4 -0500=0ASubject:Re: [TUHS] UNIX or unix=0A=0AIn fact ATT legal had a d= ocument they sent to all commercial licensees=0Aaround 1980 on proper us= e of the name.=C2=A0 I wonder if I still have/can=0Afind a copy.=C2=A0 B= ut the lawyers were pretty clear. It was UNIX with =E2=84=A2=0Aand later= the R with a circle around beside the all caps letters after=0Athey reg= istered it. =C2=A0=0A=0AIt was that letter that started all the names li= ke Xenix, Ultrix,=0AHP-UX, SunOS, RTU etc. =C2=A0=C2=A0=0A=0AOn Sat, Nov= 9, 2019 at 4:06 PM Mary Ann Horton =0Awrote:=0AI j= ust finished Brian Kernighan's book (excellent!) and he addresses =0A th= is in section 7.6. (Yes, he wrote the book in troff.)=0A=0A He prefers "= Unix" and wrote it that way except for this section. He=0Asays =0A "Bell= Labs' legal guardians decided that the name Unix was a valuable=0A=0A t= rademark that had to be protected..." Legal mostly required it to be=0A= =0A used as an adjective "The UNIX TM operating system", and how the ms= =0A macros produced a small caps "UNIX" (and a footnote on the first= =0A reference). He's clear that the 1127 folks hated the requirements= =0Afrom =0A legal.=0A=0A It is true that the file which contains the ker= nel was /unix, or=0A/vmunix =0A for Berkeley Unix, but that's the name o= f the file, not the proper=0Aname =0A of the operating system for Englis= h prose.=C2=A0 By convention, virtually=0Aall =0A Unix files were in low= er case.=0A=0A =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Mary Ann=0A=0A On 11/9/19 12:36= PM, Derrik Walker v2.0 wrote:=0A > On 11/9/19 12:20 PM, Nemo Nusquam wr= ote:=0A >> I was reading the comments on Hackaday on UNIX at 50 =0A >>= =0A(https://hackaday.com/2019/11/05/will-the-real-unix-please-stand-up/= =0A[2]). =0A >> As expected, a lot of manure but some interesting commen= ts from =0A >> seemingly knowledgeable people.=0A >>=0A >> One comment= =0A >>=0A(https://hackaday.com/2019/11/05/will-the-real-unix-please-sta= nd-up/#comment-6192977=0A[3]), =0A >> from a DDS, stated that (s)he work= ed at The Bell and they wrote it=0A=0A >> "unix" (lower-case) to disting= uish it from MULTICS.=C2=A0 Anyone care=0Ato =0A >> comment on this?=0A= >>=0A >> N.=0A >=0A > It was always my understanding, based totally on= hearsay from =0A > engineers from both Sun and SGI back in my early day= s with it, UNIX=0Ais =0A > the OS, while unix, or vmunix is the kernel.= Unix was deprecated by=0A=0A > the time it became a real commercial pro= duct.=0A >=0A > So, right or wrong, I've always used UNIX for the OS, an= d unix, or =0A > vmunix as appropriate, to refer to the kernel.=0A >=0A= > - Derrik=0A >=0A-- =0ASent from a handheld expect more typos than usu= al =0A=0ALinks:=0A------=0A[1] mailto:mah@mhorton.net=0A[2]=0Ahttps://ha= ckaday.com/2019/11/05/will-the-real-unix-please-stand-up/=0A[3]=0Ahttps:= //hackaday.com/2019/11/05/will-the-real-unix-please-stand-up/#comment-61= 92977=0A --=_ed50815c0e85671557c1412b370bb1e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I remember a story I heard second hand.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The Bel= l System had so many acronyms that they published=C2=A0 yearly a small b= ook with all the acronyms in the Bell System.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Somebody (Ken?= , Doug?) got a call one year that they wanted to include UNIX in the boo= k, so would we please tell them what UNIX stood for.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The rep= ly was that UNIX was not an acronym.=C2=A0 So the caller said: "OK.=C2= =A0 We won't put it in the book..."

Steve



----- Original Message= -----
From:
"Clem Cole" <clemc@ccc.com>

=
To:
"Mary Ann Horton" <mah@mhorton.net>
Cc= :
<tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Sent:
Sat, 9 Nov 2019 16:23:04 -0500
= Subject:
Re: [TUHS] UNIX or unix


In fact ATT l= egal had a document they sent to all commercial licensees around 1980 on= proper use of the name.=C2=A0 I wonder if I still have/can find a copy.= =C2=A0 But the lawyers were pretty clear. It was UNIX with =E2=84=A2 and= later the R with a circle around beside the all caps letters after they= registered it. =C2=A0

It was that letter= that started all the names like Xenix, Ultrix, HP-UX, SunOS, RTU etc.= =C2=A0=C2=A0

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 4:06 PM Mary Ann Horton <= ;mah@mhorton.net> wrote:
I just finished Brian Kernighan's= book (excellent!) and he addresses
=0Athis in section 7.6. (Yes, he= wrote the book in troff.)

=0AHe prefers "Unix" and wrote it that= way except for this section. He says
=0A"Bell Labs' legal guardians= decided that the name Unix was a valuable
=0Atrademark that had to= be protected..." Legal mostly required it to be
=0Aused as an adjec= tive "The UNIX TM operating system", and how the ms
=0Amacros produc= ed a small caps "UNIX" (and a footnote on the first
=0Areference). H= e's clear that the 1127 folks hated the requirements from
=0Alegal.<= br>
=0AIt is true that the file which contains the kernel was /unix,= or /vmunix
=0Afor Berkeley Unix, but that's the name of the file, n= ot the proper name
=0Aof the operating system for English prose.=C2= =A0 By convention, virtually all
=0AUnix files were in lower case.
=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Mary Ann

=0AOn 11/9/19 12:36 PM= , Derrik Walker v2.0 wrote:
=0A> On 11/9/19 12:20 PM, Nemo Nusquam= wrote:
=0A>> I was reading the comments on Hackaday on UNIX at= 50
=0A>> (https://hackaday.com/2019/11/05/will-the-re= al-unix-please-stand-up/).
=0A>> As expected, a lot of man= ure but some interesting comments from
=0A>> seemingly knowled= geable people.
=0A>>
=0A>> One comment
=0A>>= (https://hackaday.com/2019/11/05/will-the-real-= unix-please-stand-up/#comment-6192977),
=0A>> from a DDS,= stated that (s)he worked at The Bell and they wrote it
=0A>>= "unix" (lower-case) to distinguish it from MULTICS.=C2=A0 Anyone care t= o
=0A>> comment on this?
=0A>>
=0A>> N.
= =0A>
=0A> It was always my understanding, based totally on hear= say from
=0A> engineers from both Sun and SGI back in my early da= ys with it, UNIX is
=0A> the OS, while unix, or vmunix is the ker= nel. Unix was deprecated by
=0A> the time it became a real commer= cial product.
=0A>
=0A> So, right or wrong, I've always used= UNIX for the OS, and unix, or
=0A> vmunix as appropriate, to ref= er to the kernel.
=0A>
=0A> - Derrik
=0A>
--
Sent f= rom a handheld expect more typos than usual
=0A=0A=0A
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