From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 26279 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2022 18:29:17 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 28 Jun 2022 18:29:17 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B119140143; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 04:29:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-4323.proton.ch (mail-4323.proton.ch [185.70.43.23]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DC3640107 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 04:29:01 +1000 (AEST) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 18:28:54 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jfloren.net; s=protonmail3; t=1656440938; x=1656700138; bh=EpiWq7EztZiKgo6syJBWCJeJbO5aFj3x9LVQLKOGZqI=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=fRmFEhOOVGQfYFlamvsVn7C0/S1J6HKaZWfGNpisMSP0csWSCLRD63wtizZYOAGB9 89Mkoss2OanEfOrIoxJfGuDdBBzD4nG3pAGSNG8iT3uEqF+nFJncNPb7yowNgsonRS My4pyggxuJVaFg75tTgPapLKiEOdu7zUJVGu+HaP/Eg47TZ87zLOoI0KaMa+Ae49Rg 1FH4ACVc6wLxgz/vkkFBvqi3d6yt1KjuXhNtiU0ir0v8rAKAGzDqoXO6x/ypOkgeEm v1yX2DiaphFU1H7SVEC79zchO3zWp5N5R3MJZiFHzEqMKuwrYgJKRRytEIoCy4Dyr6 Gps6kPdUpecGQ== To: tuhs@tuhs.org From: John Floren Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <2803DC51-6CBC-4257-B40C-8A559C27CAE3@planet.nl> <20220625230939.GG19404@mcvoy.com> Feedback-ID: 33566136:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: OILFPFF7F2Q7LFDVAYDIKR6UASSMIZAG X-Message-ID-Hash: OILFPFF7F2Q7LFDVAYDIKR6UASSMIZAG X-MailFrom: john@jfloren.net X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Floren Subject: [TUHS] Re: Research Datakit notes List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 6/28/22 05:45, Rob Pike wrote: > [...] I know it's amazing engineering and > all that, but why aren't we allowed to program the I/O without all that > fuss? What makes networks so _different_? A telling detail is that the > original sockets interface had send and recv, not read and write. From > day 1 in Unix land at least, networking was special, and it remains so, > but I fail to see why it needs to be. > > It just seems there has to be a better way. Sockets are just so > unpleasant, and the endless nonsense around network configuration doubly = so. > I was pretty sad when netchans were discontinued. A colleague was sufficiently attached to them that he kept his own branch of the library going for a while. john