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[98.18.6.131]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 586e51a60fabf-250853be981sm1535477fac.56.2024.06.01.19.31.41 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 01 Jun 2024 19:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------K4wM6dBtU2jP7PsbhZTJZutm" Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2024 21:31:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US To: TUHS From: Will Senn Message-ID-Hash: GTC2EV2MAZA24N2SN577FJ5K6MOYN3ZV X-Message-ID-Hash: GTC2EV2MAZA24N2SN577FJ5K6MOYN3ZV X-MailFrom: will.senn@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Proliferation of book print styles List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------K4wM6dBtU2jP7PsbhZTJZutm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today, as I was digging more into nroff/troff and such, and bemoaning the lack of brevity of modern text. I got to thinking about the old days and what might have gone wrong with book production that got us where we are today. First, I wanna ask, tongue in cheek, sort of... As the inventors and early pioneers in the area of moving from typesetters to print on demand... do you feel a bit like the Manhattan project - did you maybe put too much power into the hands of folks who probably shouldn't have that power? But seriously, I know the period of time where we went from hot metal typesetting to the digital era was an eyeblink in history but do y'all recall how it went down? Were you surprised when folks settled on word processors in favor of markup? Do you think we've progressed in the area of ease of creating documentation and printing it making it viewable and accurate since 1980? I didn't specifically mention unix, but unix history is forever bound to the evolution of documents and printing, so I figure it's fair game for TUHS and isn't yet COFF :). Later, Will --------------K4wM6dBtU2jP7PsbhZTJZutm Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today, as I was digging more into nroff/troff and such, and bemoaning the lack of brevity of modern text. I got to thinking about the old days and what might have gone wrong with book production that got us where we are today.

First, I wanna ask, tongue in cheek, sort of... As the inventors and early pioneers in the area of moving from typesetters to print on demand... do you feel a bit like the Manhattan project - did you maybe put too much power into the hands of folks who probably shouldn't have that power?

But seriously, I know the period of time where we went from hot metal typesetting to the digital era was an eyeblink in history but do y'all recall how it went down? Were you surprised when folks settled on word processors in favor of markup? Do you think we've progressed in the area of ease of creating documentation and printing it making it viewable and accurate since 1980?

I didn't specifically mention unix, but unix history is forever bound to the evolution of documents and printing, so I figure it's fair game for TUHS and isn't yet COFF :).

Later,

Will
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