From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 6615 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2021 20:16:26 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Apr 2021 20:16:26 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 077EC9CA91; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 06:16:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8619CA5C; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 06:15:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9B6C49CA5B; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 06:15:26 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2021 06:15:26 AEST Received: from orthanc.ca (orthanc.ca [208.79.93.154]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F61A9C883 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 06:15:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from orthanc.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orthanc.ca (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 761e484b; Sun, 4 Apr 2021 13:08:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)" To: Josh Good In-reply-to: <20210404085520.GA6494@naleco.com> References: <584DED5A-1226-4AF7-A191-C34CAFA53686@pobox.com> <20210404022356.GR28660@mcvoy.com> <20210404085520.GA6494@naleco.com> Comments: In-reply-to Josh Good message dated "Sun, 04 Apr 2021 10:55:22 +0200." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <35341.1617566925.1@orthanc.ca> Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2021 13:08:45 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [TUHS] Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Josh Good writes: > Yes, it looks like in those years inferior Unix vendors were playing a game > of lock-in with their customers, while Sun was playing the opposite game: > attracting users and developers with features, openness and by providing a > more joyful user/developer experience. Yes, but weren't they also the first to unbundle the C compiler? Until that point Sun had been doing a good job of elbowing out DEC where I was working. When the C compiler went away we damned near mutinied to become a wall-to-wall Ultrix shop (on the BSD side). Personally, I think Sun's unbundling of C did more to launch the GNU project into the mainstream than anything. Once gcc and binutils became defacto on SunOS systems, GNU's future was set. --lyndon