From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 68dbf46d for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 14:57:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5CE8294FC9; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 00:57:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2669594FB9; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 00:57:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 572D794FB9; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 00:57:25 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 360 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 00:57:24 AEST Received: from mpv4-2015.case.edu (mpv4-2015.CWRU.Edu [129.22.103.195]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AA0C94FB7 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 00:57:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mpv5-2015.CWRU.Edu (EHLO mpv5-2015.case.edu) ([129.22.103.234]) by mpv4-2015.case.edu (MOS 4.4.8-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AVI39086; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 09:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from caleb.INS.CWRU.Edu (EHLO caleb.ins.cwru.edu) ([129.22.8.211]) by mpv5-2015.case.edu (MOS 4.4.8-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CKK74871 (AUTH cpr); Wed, 16 Jan 2019 09:51:21 -0500 (EST) To: Dan Cross , George Michaelson References: From: Chet Ramey Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=chet.ramey@case.edu; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsDiBEEOsGwRBACFa0A1oa71HSZLWxAx0svXzhOZNQZOzqHmSuGOG92jIpQpr8DpvgRh40Yp AwdcXb8QG1J5yGAKeevNE1zCFaA725vGSdHUyypHouV0xoWwukYO6qlyyX+2BZU+okBUqoWQ koWxiYaCSfzB2Ln7pmdys1fJhcgBKf3VjWCjd2XJTwCgoFJOwyBFJdugjfwjSoRSwDOIMf0D /iQKqlWhIO1LGpMrGX0il0/x4zj0NAcSwAk7LaPZbN4UPjn5pqGEHBlf1+xDDQCkAoZ/VqES GZragl4VqJfxBr29Ag0UDvNbUbXoxQsARdero1M8GiAIRc50hj7HXFoERwenbNDJL86GPLAQ OTGOCa4W2o29nFfFjQrsrrYHzVtyA/9oyKvTeEMJ7NA3VJdWcmn7gOu0FxEmSNhSoV1T4vP2 1Wf7f5niCCRKQLNyUy0wEApQi4tSysdz+AbgAc0b/bHYVzIf2uO2lIEZQNNt+3g2bmXgloWm W5fsm/di50Gm1l1Na63d3RZ00SeFQos6WEwLUHEB0yp6KXluXLLIZitEJM0gQ2hldCBSYW1l eSA8Y2hldC5yYW1leUBjYXNlLmVkdT7CYQQTEQIAIQIbAwYLCQgHAwIDFQIDAxYCAQIeAQIX gAUCRX3FIgIZAQAKCRC7WGnwZOp0q069AKCNDRn+zzN/AHbaynls/Lvq1kH/RQCgkLvF8bDs maUHSxSIPqzlGuKWDxbOwE0EQQ6wbxAEAJCukwDigRDPhAuI+lf+6P64lWanIFOXIndqhvU1 3cDbQ/Wt5LwPzm2QTvd7F+fcHOgZ8KOFScbDpjJaRqwIybMTcIN0B2pBLX/C10W1aY+cUrXZ gXUGVISEMmpaP9v02auToo7XXVEHC+XLO9IU7/xaU98FL69l6/K4xeNSBRM/AAMHA/wNAmRB pcyK0+VggZ5esQaIP/LyolAm2qwcmrd3dZi+g24s7yjV0EUwvRP7xHRDQFgkAo6++QbuecU/ J90lxrVnQwucZmfz9zgWDkT/MpfB/CNRSKLFjhYq2yHmHWT6vEjw9Ry/hF6Pc0oh1a62USdf aKAiim0nVxxQmPmiRvtCmcJJBBgRAgAJBQJBDrBvAhsMAAoJELtYafBk6nSr43AAn2ZZFQg8 Gs/zUzvXMt7evaFqVTzcAJ0cHtKpP1i/4H4R9+OsYeQdxxWxTQ== Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 09:51:21 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Status: score=8/90, host=mpv4-2015.case.edu X-Junkmail-PrAS-Raw: score=8/90, refid=2.7.2:2019.1.16.143017:17:8.317, ip=, rules=__HAS_REPLYTO, __HAS_CC_HDR, __MULTIPLE_RCPTS_CC_X2, __CC_NAME, __CC_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC, __SUBJ_REPLY, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NAME, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC, __REFERENCES, __HAS_FROM, FROM_EDU_TLD, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, DATE_TZ_NA, __USER_AGENT, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT, __MIME_VERSION, __IN_REP_TO, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __REPLYTO_SAMEAS_FROM_ADDY, __REPLYTO_SAMEAS_FROM_ACC, __FROM_DOMAIN_IN_ANY_CC2, __REPLYTO_SAMEAS_FROM_DOMAIN, __ANY_URI, __URI_WITH_PATH, __URI_NO_WWW, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, __URI_IN_BODY, __URI_NOT_IMG, __NO_HTML_TAG_RAW, BODY_SIZE_700_799, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, __MIME_TEXT_P1, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, __URI_NS, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, IN_REP_TO, MSG_THREAD, __FROM_DOMAIN_IN_RCPT, __TO_REAL_NAMES, __CC_REAL_NAMES, [TRUNCATED], so=2010-03-03 19:42:08, dmn=2016-08-03-0138 Subject: Re: [TUHS] The John Snow's of the UNIX family X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: chet.ramey@case.edu Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 1/16/19 9:24 AM, Dan Cross wrote: > Anyway, the point is that they did have a footprint in the academic market. > I suspect their lack of success had more to do with them as a company and > their foibles in the market than anything else. We (CWRU) got a donated MV10000 from DG in the mid-80s. It was pretty easy to get an account on it, as opposed to the "official" VAX, but everyone hated working on it. It was just painful, especially if you tried to get free software working. DG tried, but, at least in our case, they just weren't up to it. -- ``The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.'' - Chaucer ``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates Chet Ramey, UTech, CWRU chet@case.edu http://tiswww.cwru.edu/~chet/