From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2233 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2022 21:47:38 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 25 Dec 2022 21:47:38 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB07641BA7; Mon, 26 Dec 2022 07:47:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: from wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.25]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62DF241B98 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2022 07:47:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA843200313 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2022 16:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 25 Dec 2022 16:47:22 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ronnatalie.com; h=cc:content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:reply-to:sender :subject:subject:to:to; s=fm1; t=1672004841; x=1672091241; bh=y/ SpE1P7fKb8Zs6hEDeVxDhBKIjhPCA4YD+iq3tV74o=; b=tYYAuW9rSb+Kch/zCy i6ZCT39MrHayd38MXtwHv+797FdpcblKteZ7u6JCNGpoo/mQobAO6K7YMKbj25lD EUG1kq152urNyb33u3kXjPTD46eOc0H+epa9mnaR7w3A9sLxoddC+2sbVQCt8fOw LPVRofnSXVJUCP7TAtyEh1h+Pt2WRLzi0RyGq+bL/EtYFkrWB3E0RkbULQ0UGxTs aa7Ny2G9egc20fadM5gbKGrfdML+H6jBr1XLi1RPFRxn2KxCsTs7vCRoyx2JRPbx YY6LsFmNYUWU6kkMno1gywKgTj3mhAPGD1oAW/lcX/N29ZINW56CBZTcI1AMp33k p6/Q== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:date:feedback-id :feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:references:reply-to:reply-to:sender:subject :subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; t=1672004841; x=1672091241; bh=y/SpE1P7fKb8Z s6hEDeVxDhBKIjhPCA4YD+iq3tV74o=; b=ENjvzlBb6RRPjHi4i8/ja3ZjrHX1G c0dv94hcuRxLm3MaGWk7EeWWTKgY8yeT9BJyNq3uclr6aN8k9zfPgloS0rCJxNsp GfXww7RkCfBcLtzMI5iP8NxcvirfPF2d0PgIx0Xqt3R9X9Gd+7kh/4V4AD6hcyzp M0uFEOnJvgSUclfTw0WwyfUILFtXkficF8zyoKCZxJIJ1gWIKlN/VnmtXtno6ZLi 0LLFcOiBoGlOLc/Sa27Wdp3qzy8QpbuH/TSYJOjuL61Hk3KEBUCLtcrJX1xl+w2i MvPOiU7ULZg5E7DXFkH0mxsBxW5fAhMYSsReIWgWKhEa1yhqyXvMSuODQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrheeigdduheefucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefhvffufffkjghfrhgfgggtsegrtd erredtreejnecuhfhrohhmpedftfhonhcupfgrthgrlhhivgdfuceorhhonhesrhhonhhn rghtrghlihgvrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeihfevvdffffduieeljeeuie egtedvleeffefghfeiudelledvffffuefffeeiffenucffohhmrghinhepthifihhtthgv rhdrtghomhdprhhsnhhouhhsrdgtohhmnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrg hrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheprhhonhesrhhonhhnrghtrghlihgvrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: iaba146ad:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2022 16:47:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron Natalie" To: "tuhs@tuhs.org" Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2022 21:47:20 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <9E95A884-6101-4545-8638-CC1D0C94DEB9@ngelo.eu> <20221225205151.x3kflt7qrjc3b7i4@illithid> User-Agent: eM_Client/9.2.1222.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------=_MBEAC34FF9-1EE3-43D3-B36F-0B801B549807" Message-ID-Hash: VASVEJFL37EZU5ZCGVJQUH2R4QVE5QJ7 X-Message-ID-Hash: VASVEJFL37EZU5ZCGVJQUH2R4QVE5QJ7 X-MailFrom: ron@ronnatalie.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ron Natalie Subject: [TUHS] Re: OLIT, MoOLIT, and NeWS (was: X11 Conservancy Project) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --------=_MBEAC34FF9-1EE3-43D3-B36F-0B801B549807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Much as I was a fan of NeWS back in the day (and later used a NeWS-ish=20 complete with the Owen Densmore object oriented extensions) postscript=20 interpreter as the basis for our product, I=E2=80=99m having some issues with that =E2=80=9Chistory.=E2=80=9D First = off, you couldn=E2=80=99t=20 arbitrarily cat a PostScript file to the screen and expect it to work. =20 There were enough differences between Adobe and the NeWS version to=20 cause problems. The idea of putting small programs (written in PostScript) to handle the=20 interaction was an interesting one. The problem is that writing stuff=20 in PostScript (even with the NeWS extensions) is so godawful that I have=20 my doubts about having implemented an entire X Server in one (having=20 written several X Servers subsequent to that). Of course, Gosling came up with a more palatable development language=20 for the next attempt: Java. ------ Original Message ------ >From "josh" To "G. Branden Robinson" Cc "tuhs@tuhs.org" Date 12/25/2022 4:38:32 PM Subject [TUHS] Re: OLIT, MoOLIT, and NeWS (was: X11 Conservancy Project) >>Ranging a bit farther afield, I wonder similarly about Sun's NeWS,=20 >>which >>I never saw in the flesh. > >Branden, > >You may find this fellow=E2=80=99s archaeological dig on NeWS and PostScri= pt=20 >interesting: https://twitter.com/rsnous/status/788053163857379328 > >He also attempted to make a NeWS clone:=20 >http://dev.rsnous.com/dewdrop/executive/ (source available). > >Josh > --------=_MBEAC34FF9-1EE3-43D3-B36F-0B801B549807 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= Much as I was a fan of NeWS back in the day (and later used a NeWS-ish comp= lete with the Owen Densmore object oriented extensions) postscript interpre= ter as the basis for our product,
I=E2=80=99m having some issues= with that =E2=80=9Chistory.=E2=80=9D =C2=A0 First off, you couldn=E2=80=99t = arbitrarily cat a PostScript file to the screen and expect it to work. =C2= =A0 There were enough differences between Adobe and the NeWS version to cau= se problems.

The idea of putting small programs= (written in PostScript) to handle the interaction was an interesting one. = =C2=A0 The problem is that writing stuff in PostScript (even with the NeWS = extensions) is so godawful that I have my doubts about having implemented= an entire X Server in one (having written several X Servers subsequent to t= hat).

Of course, Gosling came up with a more pal= atable development language for the next attempt: =C2=A0 Java.
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Branden,

You may find thi= s fellow=E2=80=99s archaeological dig on NeWS and PostScript interesting:= =C2=A0http= s://twitter.com/rsnous/status/788053163857379328

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He also attempted to make a NeWS clone:=C2=A0http://dev.rsnous.com/dewdrop/executive/=C2= =A0(source available).

Josh
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