From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 18557 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2021 20:39:50 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 24 Jan 2021 20:39:50 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A8A4F9C7C6; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 06:39:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107D69C73D; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 06:39:24 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; secure) header.d=mxes.net header.i=@mxes.net header.b="us7qVDpk"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A919B9C73D; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 06:39:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp-out-3.mxes.net (smtp-out-3.mxes.net [198.205.123.68]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FCFA9C5FD for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 06:39:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: from Customer-MUA (mua.mxes.net [10.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 154BD759AD; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 15:39:15 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mxes.net; s=mta; t=1611520757; bh=gC2BbVdCvtHgeN25Ba8Dw0c+9HrjtwDyuE3c4sVQfJs=; h=From:To:Subject:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:From; b=us7qVDpkeMzR2cGjcwqI6/25p5tj8fvp9jVnvAXgbWBQWabcfix3F3cm25/Rcw9e2 OTqjXPw5hwYZWZLC2E2ihpYNS0Hp5bCpryAt0eOLu5lWKtDpkcSlRaJgIc7cGTmLnU n1tudyr2Y0x2IivLPSNAS1aVAgS5j4oNmPNNjcv8= From: "Ronald Natalie" To: "Larry McVoy" , "Clem Cole" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 20:39:13 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20210124183653.GD21030@mcvoy.com> References: <20210124183653.GD21030@mcvoy.com> User-Agent: eM_Client/8.1.979.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sent-To: Subject: Re: [TUHS] tangential unix question: whatever happened to NeWS? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Ronald Natalie Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" NeWS had a number of problems. Oddly, James Gosling who designed NeWS=20 (along with Owen Dunsmore who made the PostScript class mechanism) went=20 on to do Java which got around the simple fact that as far as a=20 programming language for human programmers, PostScript is absolutely=20 abysmal. It also suffered from other goofy mistakes like the=20 "terminal" window when resized just made the 24x80 bigger by scaling up=20 the fonts (most people expect to keep the font size but get more rows=20 and columns). Don Hopkins (is he here?) had done his pi menus (round menus) which were=20 a pretty neat concept that never caught on elswehere on NeWS.