From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 21136 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2021 21:01:52 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 24 Jan 2021 21:01:52 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 84C589C7C6; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 07:01:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0019C73D; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 07:01:36 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; secure) header.d=mxes.net header.i=@mxes.net header.b="UdTZoYQx"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 010849C73D; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 07:01:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp-out-3.mxes.net (smtp-out-3.mxes.net [198.205.123.68]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66BB09C5FD for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 07:01:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from Customer-MUA (mua.mxes.net [10.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 76CA9759BC for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 16:01:32 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mxes.net; s=mta; t=1611522092; bh=Ox6BcuKqS20lfRMWMCYF7tygjTIXWz64qfcq0c2hI4M=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:From; b=UdTZoYQxn06LeRCLbZdPSf8zuJBebNyW75n0svzSZ4LjvS03QNPU8MRMdnv200Me3 3iNv2xF+SMkuoFQdBEkiSg+JPheBsBPgK3zYrtzJ/6yHEcodUrycov9f33jckIRGYc flEoIYbNRlJK3wusLeVKb0e7U/irBy3FBrX/lTB4= From: "Ronald Natalie" To: "TUHS main list" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 21:01:30 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20210124205451.GH21030@mcvoy.com> References: <20210124183653.GD21030@mcvoy.com> <20210124205451.GH21030@mcvoy.com> User-Agent: eM_Client/8.1.979.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sent-To: Subject: Re: [TUHS] tangential unix question: whatever happened to NeWS? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Ronald Natalie Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Writing simple renderings isn't too bad. Trying to implement program=20 logic in it is horrid. Believe me, I spent years dealing with a system=20 that was sort of a NeWS spin-off. Shoot me before I ever have to use=20 a language without local variables again. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Larry McVoy" To: "Ronald Natalie" Cc: "Larry McVoy" ; "Clem Cole" ; "TUHS=20 main list" Sent: 1/24/2021 3:54:51 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [TUHS] tangential unix question: whatever happened=20 to NeWS? >On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 08:39:13PM +0000, Ronald Natalie wrote: >> to do Java which got around the simple fact that as far as a programmin= g >> language for human programmers, PostScript is absolutely abysmal. > >Abysmal? Perhaps a bit harsh. The Sun logo was hand written >postscript and I did the first SPARC Cluster and made a logo that was >4 interconnected Sun logos in the same shape, I can probably dig it up. > >I think it was more weird, reminded me of Forth (also weird). But you >could make stuff work in it.